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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 2 Board 1 -  Kim, Myungwan 9p vs Liang, Jie 7d]PW[Kim, Myung Wan]PB[Liang, Jie]WR[9p]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-02]EV[2010 US Open]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
huli [1k\]: thank you. :)
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 2, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today. 
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;B[pd]C[vdsvsd: hi solo
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;W[dp]C[USGO1 [-\]: Howdy!
littlebell [2k\]: hi
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;B[qp]C[T10 [?\]: Hi
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;W[dd]C[vdsvsd: what is the top rated non-asian player there, ss?
ogre [2d?\]: mini again
Korea4K [2d\]: how result the 1. round  Kim vs Lin?
MilanMilan [9d\]: Liang Jie?
T10 [?\]: Live stream?
MilanMilan [9d\]: should be Li Jie, right?
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;B[fq]
;W[hq]C[leachy [5k\]: how goes the fashion?
vdsvsd: 6 questions in a row, nice combo
vdsvsd: poor solo :)
ogre [2d?\]: avoiding thi mini chinese
celery [7k?\]: live relay
USGO1 [-\]: No live stream. No, not Li Jie.
nay4ok [2d?\]: is there a video like in eurogotv streams?
evanj [2d\]: no
Rij: p3 
Aquarius [4k?\]: a new market for harry^^
USGO1 [-\]: http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=11018
USGO1 [-\]: You can see round 1's result by viewing my games. Myung Wan seemed to fall behind in a tricky joseki in that game, but played solidly and made it back with a nice tesuji to take control.
Remember [1d\]: what do you suppose myung wan is thinking about right now
USGO1 [-\]: Jie Liang and Myung Wan Kim haven't met in AGA tournament play before.
ogre [2d?\]: he is being taken out of wanted fuseki
Remember [1d\]: i'm sure this fuseki pattern has come up before and he has studied it, what is the correct move?
Remember [1d\]: i thought white c6 was normal
drjeanpoul [10k\]: not a lot .....
ogre [2d?\]: c6 is mini chinese
Remember [1d\]: drjeanpoul you'd be surprised
shouldBdan [7k\]: does w stand a chance
Remember [1d\]: yeah, that's why i thought it was normal looking
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;B[fo]
;W[dn]C[toffee [3d\]: no one right move, but C3, C6, and F5 are the choices.
Remember [1d\]: white stands a chance, aguilar [6d\] beat a 9p before
ChemBoy613 [-\]: We have to pull for B because W beat up my wife yesterday >.<
danielhast [5k\]: F5 seems unusual
ogre [2d?\]: i think b d6 was also a choice
danielhast [5k\]: For white, I mean
toffee [3d\]: I'm rooting for the pro.
Remember [1d\]: d6 is amateur style i think ogre
toffee [3d\]: The pro deserves respect.
ogre [2d?\]: is there a pro commentary on this game?
USGO1 [-\]: @leachy as per fashion, both players are dressed casually, wearing shorts
ChemBoy613 [-\]: in response to h3... i normally enclose
littlebell [2k\]: 2k deserve love
Remember [1d\]: how is their hair style
fetti [-\]: what are the alternatives to j4 now?
leachy [5k\]: @ thanks! gives the game context/atmosphere
Q161 [?\]: is w also pro?
USGO1 [-\]: Jie Liang was 4-2 last year at the 2009 US Open
xedover [?\]: no
Hellhuman [1d\]: andy liu playing?
USGO1 [-\]: He lost only to Andy Liu and Juyong Koh that year.
danielhast [5k\]: D2 is common, isn't it?
shouldBdan [7k\]: no
leachy [5k\]: we will see if their play becomes too casual as a result or if their attitude remains thoroughly professional
N4KED [1d\]: p3 is normal
ralfcam [3k\]: hoe many people is playing this tournament?
N4KED [1d\]: not f5
spider451 [1d\]: if h3 is these d3 is a mistake
ogre [2d?\]: oh yeah
spider451 [1d\]: d2 srry
ogre [2d?\]: p3
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;B[ip]C[ogre [2d?\]: your right
evanj [2d\]: wow
fetti [-\]: finally its j4
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;W[hp]
;B[ho]
;W[iq]
;B[jp]C[ogre [2d?\]: forgot about that p3 is a nice alternative to f5
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;W[jq]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[mo]C[fetti [-\]: why is it not? i do not understand
shouldBdan [7k\]: whats the best move on the goban?
Remember [1d\]: lol, what a question
Thale [4k\]: a1
zakatan [6k\]: kibiz power
fuyue: is o3 slow now?
Remember [1d\]: k2 nice tesuji for black
toffee [3d\]: R10.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i don't think o3 is slow
Katsuri [3k\]: wow so many strong players
shouldBdan [7k\]: n3, not o3
spider451 [1d\]: k2?
Remember [1d\]: joking
leachy [5k\]: i predict p3 
spider451 [1d\]: oh lol
fuyue: o3 exist imho
Remember [1d\]: he asked for the "best move on the goban"
Remember [1d\]: so i thought i'd troll
evanj [2d\]: no p3
ChemBoy613 [-\]: it's n3 or o3
Remember [1d\]: n3 looks better
ChemBoy613 [-\]: p3 has some problems
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;W[eq]C[GoIsBoring [3d\]: where is Andy?
leachy [5k\]: ok
Remember [1d\]: o3 asks for a bigger black wall
USGO1 [-\]: What questions haven't I addressed yet? I feel like I missed some.
Remember [1d\]: yes i asked for their hairstyle
monk316 [2k?\]: where is andy
Remember [1d\]: joking haha
shouldBdan [7k\]: o3 also has problems
scottw1919 [7k\]: q11
ChemBoy613 [-\]: if B doesn't take n3, B should play on top
Remember [1d\]: should respond to e3
Remember [1d\]: but how..
katarakt [2d?\]: the taisha-like p4 looks more interesting to me than o3 - white won't probably try none of them
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;B[co]C[fuyue: wow
Remember [1d\]: white will probably leave the bottom for now in case of strengthening b's wall
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;W[do]C[shouldBdan [7k\]: w will have to watch out for the snapback if he plays o3
scottw1919 [7k\]: c3
ogre [2d?\]: please make more serious comment
Remember [1d\]: there's also something like o3 n2 n3 l3 l2 m2 k2 o2 perhaps
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;B[fc]C[Remember [1d\]: that was wrong order but yeah more or less
ralfcam [3k\]: snapback ints no problem if he goes for the ko
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;W[id]C[Korea4K [2d\]: Kim won the last game?
MikGo [2d\]: but it's double ko for seki
evanj [2d\]: yes
tm93 [1d\]: 9p :o
ralfcam [3k\]: it may
XY0908 [-\]: Plants few boobytraps, then goes away has been Mr. Kim's style ;-)
katarakt [2d?\]: any move there should try for breaking out and making the wall useless or getting all points including the corner - o3 doesn't
monk316 [2k?\]: is there a stream for this game?
T10 [?\]: no
busty [5k?\]: where does Mr Kim live?
shouldBdan [7k\]: north dakota
USGO1 [-\]: Santa Monica, I think.
USGO1 [-\]: (California)
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;B[fe]C[XY0908 [-\]: I lived there for a few months in 1976.
busty [5k?\]: i didn't think there were very many 9p's in the US
evanj [2d\]: we will live beside the ocean
evanj [2d\]: leave the fire behind
shouldBdan [7k\]: this is a difficult game for w
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;W[cf]C[hatego [3k\]: Why? More or less even so far.
USGO1 [-\]: Someone asked earlier - there are 272 players in the US Open this year.
Korea4K [2d\]: now C6
Remember [1d\]: well yeah shouldbdan, he's playing a 9p
ralfcam [3k\]: thats me
yosogo [1d\]: yesterday ,does kim win or lose
ralfcam [3k\]: thx
shouldBdan [7k\]: thats what  i mean
Remember [1d\]: :)
evanj [2d\]: kim won yesterday
USGO1 [-\]: Also I think there will be pro commentary.
Sonatine [7k\]: m16 ?
ogre [2d?\]: b showed he was beatable tho yesterday
XY0908 [-\]: Is it more or less than last year, USGO1?
Stoneflow [-\]: white needs a stone around r10
evanj [2d\]: kim has still never lost an AGA rated game
Korea4K [2d\]: C6 bigst
Remember [1d\]: m16 is a good gun
USGO1 [-\]: Wait for an announcement on that.
hatego [3k\]: B made an error but then he dominated.
yosogo [1d\]: still jannie?
fatihsulak [-\]: d18 
Remember [1d\]: but no sonatine, it doesn't give white a base and it doesn't give b a corner enclosure - not good move
shouldBdan [7k\]: how many rated ames has b played?
ogre [2d?\]: b did not dominate after he made the error
Sonatine [7k\]: thx remember
tm93 [1d\]: mistake* not error
Dupaaxe [?\]: jannie finish his comment ? :)
ogre [2d?\]: his opponent made an error after
Lakotnik [2k?\]: What are w's and b's KGS names?
USGO1 [-\]: You can see Myung Wan's card here: http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=16670
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;B[kd]C[oren [5k?\]: XY, less than last year
hatego [3k\]: W is Jie Liang and B is Myung wan Kim
Sonatine [7k\]: lol remember!
sweaty: W is suffering
XY0908 [-\]: oren, significantly?
sweaty: hi XY!
USGO1 [-\]: For the SPOT1 tournament I think W was Myungwan on kgs
USGO1 [-\]: err
USGO1 [-\]: Black
evanj [2d\]: hah
oren [5k?\]: XY, not sure of the number for last year but  well over 300
ogre [2d?\]: peep at g16 and jump out?
XY0908 [-\]: Hmmm
sweaty: this is slow
hatego [3k\]: I wonder why Myung wan doesn't play in NAIM.
Lakotnik [2k?\]: TNX USGO1
torajiro20 [5k\]: why is the pro black?
Stoneflow [-\]: q10 maybe
XY0908 [-\]: *ignores sweaty*
hatego [3k\]: Color is decided by nigiri
torajiro20 [5k\]: ok
hatego [3k\]: Or by some other tournament rule.
ralfcam [3k\]: can u become pro in usa
USGO1 [-\]: I believe the algorithms used to generate the pairings include code to make sure that players get a close-to-even amount of play with each color.
torajiro20 [5k\]: but isn't it a bit unfair?
hatego [3k\]: But it is not based on rank.
ralfcam [3k\]: or only asia?
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;W[if]C[oren [5k?\]: XY, last year's results, http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/72
XY0908 [-\]: No professional systems in the US or Europe yet.
ralfcam [3k\]: hum but how can  he be american and ori then?
oren [5k?\]: hatego, Myungwan can't play in NAMT since he's not a permanent resident
XY0908 [-\]: There are only 4 countries offering professional rankings in the world.
hatego [3k\]: Ahh, thanks. 
yosogo [1d\]: to xy0908 which four?
arbas [3k\]: russia?
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;B[fg]C[hatego [3k\]: Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan
XY0908 [-\]: Korea, China, Japan and Taiwan
evanj [2d\]: and mauritius
Vovka27 [3k\]: 10 ppls with 6:0 last year :)
tm93 [1d\]: viva mauritius!
yosogo [1d\]: south korea/
ralfcam [3k\]: what coutry  will be next?
furr [?\]: hmmm I see business chance awarding go pro statuses..:P
Remember [1d\]: b is so chill
altrecop [1k\]: haven't north korea good level?
Remember [1d\]: f13 is so simple, not complicating things
Yggdrasil [6k\]: Perdonad, pero esta partida se puede ver en video?
evanj [2d\]: no, they keep eating the stones to survive
Remember [1d\]: wait for the complications later
yosogo [1d\]: i think north is 5 place in the world
hatego [3k\]: N Korea doesn't play nice with the rest of the world.
tm93 [1d\]: the have no wood to make gobans
altrecop [1k\]: *doesn't north korea have good level?
XY0908 [-\]: North Korea has number of strong players, but they don't have pro system.
ggggggg [5k\]: looking back at c5... 9p mistake or does it serve a purpose?
evanj [2d\]: of course it's not a mistake, ggggggg
sweaty: i issue Professional ranks too... just email me for ur rank certificate
altrecop [1k\]: hatego, USA doesn't play nice with the rest too :)
ogre [2d?\]: l14?
evanj [2d\]: it's a probe
rath123456 [21k?\]: piggen, whats up?
Yggdrasil [6k\]: SE PUEDE VER EN VIDEO ESTA PARTIDA¿?
evanj [2d\]: NO
ralfcam [3k\]: no man
Yggdrasil [6k\]: gracias 
Yggdrasil [6k\]: :)
yosogo [1d\]: no c5 is just something to try get a chance later
hatego [3k\]: Compare US to N Korea? We aren't that bad.
shouldBdan [7k\]: who is a strong north korea player?
Piggen94 [5k\]: rath?
aa2lh [5k\]: cho u
ralfcam [3k\]: are there any news about pro sistem in erope  or usa
ralfcam [3k\]: ?
altrecop [1k\]: well... from a neutral point of view, north korea is really better and pacefull than the USA :)
Thale [4k\]: pro sistem ?
tm93 [1d\]: yes there are:
Yanwangye [-\]: pls focus at the game pls
hatego [3k\]: There was talk of a Euro pro system, but I'm not sure what happened with that.
altrecop [1k\]: ok im sorry
harvey103 [2k\]: that's right NK not invade countries while US invade 5 or 6
tm93 [1d\]: "We europe and USA decalare, that there NEVER gonna be a pro system up here"
Remember [1d\]: white's already in trouble
USGO1 [-\]: I hate to do this to you guys, but I'm going to pull a color change on you - I had the game set up as the pairings dictated but the players sat down to the wrong colors and began playing...
ralfcam [3k\]: hum i hope therell be one soon
Remember [1d\]: he has a group with no base but he also needs a corner protection
Thale [4k\]: ??
Tehanu [1k\]: lol
hatego [3k\]: Np, USGO, thanks for the warning. ^^
ggggggg [5k\]: what is a color change?
Vovka27 [3k\]: gg
ogre [2d?\]: color change
kvartaali [?\]: so w is the pro? :P
ralfcam [3k\]: so the game its starting over?
USGO1 [-\]: I mean that white has been Myung Wan Kim
ogre [2d?\]: no the relay is starting over
kvartaali [?\]: hah
ggggggg [5k\]: ahhhhh
ralfcam [3k\]: oo
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Tehee
ralfcam [3k\]: ok
Thale [4k\]: looooooooool
kvartaali [?\]: planting seeds
kvartaali [?\]: and stuff
N4KED [1d\]: oh makes sense now
tm93 [1d\]: lool
littlebell [2k\]: hahaha
ggggggg [5k\]: there we go
ggggggg [5k\]: hahahaha
evanj [2d\]: wait what
Thale [4k\]: but i knew it of course :-)
USGO1 [-\]: the tournament director will probably let the game continue, but I will let you know what he ultimately decides.
tm93 [1d\]: nice one:D
SpenceR [3k\]: i thought j14 looked a little mysterious
ralfcam [3k\]: and i thogh b was better
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;W[qf]C[ggggggg [5k\]: yeah me too. i could totally tell that black not pro ;)
yosogo [1d\]: what's wrong about color?
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;B[ih]C[Gitah [?\]: now w is better
evanj [2d\]: so they are playing the wrong colors on the board in real life?
ralfcam [3k\]: hahah
miguelsan [5k\]: yes
miguelsan [5k\]: 9p supposed to be black in real life is really white tho
ogre [2d?\]: ok so lemme get this straight
Thale [4k\]: anyway the pro will win with b or w
ggggggg [5k\]: but i still like black more
ChemBoy613 [-\]: even tho i want W to win, I think B has a good game
yosogo [1d\]: color means no difference to pro
Moppel: thats why usa needs a pro system
USGO1 [-\]: B better before and W better now because I changed the names around?
Korea4K [2d\]: R14 overplay or new
USGO1 [-\]: :P
evanj [2d\]: and the names here are wrong?
Wagaboo [10k\]: W L14?
ralfcam [3k\]: w jsut did a verry nice come back
evanj [2d\]: or are they right now?
katarakt [2d?\]: there is a gradual transition between amas and pros in most kinds of sports in Europe and USA - imho we do not need such a barrier as Asien countries have
N4KED [1d\]: its changed now
evanj [2d\]: ok
Thale [4k\]: pro can win with grey stone
ogre [2d?\]:  b was supposed to be kim but he playing w
Piggen94 [5k\]: is w 9p?
littlebell [2k\]: p means premium
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan Kim is playing with the white stones, Jie Liang is playing with black stones.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: look at j12
evanj [2d\]: that's hilarious
ChemBoy613 [-\]: j12 is a very good move
Remember [1d\]: oh, woah. i thought b was the 9p
Remember [1d\]: fail
ggggggg [5k\]: blut they look all the same or what?
ggggggg [5k\]: no sorry
ogre [2d?\]: so you set up how it was supposed to be but they play the other way
evanj [2d\]: so... what's going to happen
dsfss: owwww
ogre [2d?\]: its early enough to switch...
evanj [2d\]: hahah
Micael [2k\]: we will have fun at the expence of the ones thinking b was the pro
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Nothing... referees agreed in silence.
ogre [2d?\]: dpends on the td i guess
USGO1 [-\]: That's correct ogre - I set it up as the pairings listed them.
ralfcam [3k\]: the only diference is that now w winjs
yosogo [1d\]: maybe kim like yesterday win in a behind situation
dsfss: b not pro?
Iciac [5k\]: They throw stones at eachother, in the hope of poking out an eye ;)
evanj [2d\]: not anymore :D
tm93 [1d\]: lol we have new go rule : in the middle of game u change the colours xD
terwas: So in reality, Kim is black?
evanj [2d\]: no he's asian
hatego [3k\]: Kim is asian.
evanj [2d\]: i win
Remember [1d\]: lol
NoBenjamin [5k\]: b still looks like hes doing better 2 me
USGO1 [-\]: The game is correct now.
yosogo [1d\]: kim is korean
dsfss: are tey both white?
altrecop [1k\]: all 6 players playing now are asian :D
evanj [2d\]: I understand the situation to be that Kim has actually been playing the white stones this whole time, although he was supposed ot be black in this game. correct?
USGO1 [-\]: I just don't know what the pairing computer will do with the reversal for future rounds.
HandA [1k\]: they should broadcast alex vs kang
ogre [2d?\]: ok so now w cant go l14
USGO1 [-\]: Kim was supposed to be playing Black today yes.
dsfss: so Jie is black
evanj [2d\]: heh
terwas: You didn't know who Kim looked like? How come no one stopped them?
ralfcam [3k\]: they are verry confsed it shall be a eird game
harpo [?\]: alex vs kang finished long time ago
yosogo [1d\]: to usgo1 when will pro comment or they not show up
Moppel: they could change their names 
bERt0r [10k\]: the breakfast vs kang game is already over, and it was european
shouldBdan [7k\]: so wait, you mean they switched sides in the middle of the game?
harpo [?\]: in another congress
tm93 [1d\]: yes kim should change to Yamamoyo and liang to Yakamura
tm93 [1d\]: Yamamoto*
sweaty: when did kim become W?
USGO1 [-\]: It even took the tournament director a few moments to understand what I was saying when I brought it to his attention, it's a matter that usually doesn't come up because the players take care of it.
evanj [2d\]: no, should
evanj [2d\]: unfortunately
ggggggg [5k\]: USGO1 - Kim first attacked k3 group and now defends k3 group?
Moppel: yes
ogre [2d?\]: no
ChemBoy613 [-\]: k3 group looks fine
hatego [3k\]: Myung wan was supposed to be B, but he sat down at the W stones. Simple as that, gentlemen.
dsfss: so Jie is black
USGO1 [-\]: Perhaps the players should switch sides and have to play with their oppenent's position ;D
terwas: Kim is careful against Liang
evanj [2d\]: yes
katarakt [2d?\]: k3 group Is fine - otherwise this were no joseki
evanj [2d\]: Jie is playing black although he was supposed to play white
shouldBdan [7k\]: i think it is only fair, USGO
dsfss: so it s not an argument
dsfss: its very simple
dsfss: then
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;W[hh]C[Remember [1d\]: so is myung white? or should we switch the players.
hatego [3k\]: USGO -- I was thinking that would be interesting. ^^
fawrf23: so who lose this game will win
shouldBdan [7k\]: lol
ChemBoy613 [-\]: undecided fawrf
ChemBoy613 [-\]: B has a good fight outside
harpo [?\]: fawrf is right
Remember [1d\]: myung is white and liang is black. this is true?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: but W already took many points
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;W[gh]C[NschoTschi [-\]: I think the bottom joseki is outdated its better for w unless b already has a big wall on an adjacent side
ggggggg [5k\]: i still dont get it...
evanj [2d\]: what don't you get ggggggg?
Moppel: they even sit sidewise at the board
dsfss: liang is black, his opponent - white
ogre [2d?\]: this game is already insane
MrCactu5 [2k\]: I'm guessing NOT K12
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm not sure i'd go that far Nascho - but I also don't like it for B
shouldBdan [7k\]: Remember, USGO1 already switched the players. It used to say Kim was b, now it says Kim is w.
Remember [1d\]: oh, thanks
dsfss: tehy switched
ggggggg [5k\]: i dont get if kim was laying white stones all the time
Remember [1d\]: ohh thats why i was confused
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;B[gg]C[hatego [3k\]: Myung wan was supposed to be B, but he sat down at the W stones. USGO has changed the names to match with the colors they are currently playing. So, Myung wan has W stones, Myung wan has always had W stones.
ggggggg [5k\]: or if they switched
ChemBoy613 [-\]: right this, now g11?
Remember [1d\]: i was like b is getting pwned
terwas: The players understand the situation? Maybe TD should ask them if both players agree to validity of this game
hatego [3k\]: Very 1984.
ogre [2d?\]: ggg kim was w from the start
ggggggg [5k\]: ok
ggggggg [5k\]: thanks
Remember [1d\]: nice name lol
Moppel: a pro would never c5
ggggggg [5k\]: now i got it. (gotta get sober)
tm93 [1d\]: f11?
harpo [?\]: shouldn't they stop and start over? 
shouldBdan [7k\]: i think that is good idea terwas
ChemBoy613 [-\]: c5 does look a little ajikeshi, agree
harpo [?\]: can the computer handle the wrong colours?
zakatan [6k\]: tiba-li dur
xedover [?\]: computers can handle anything
evanj [2d\]: except love
tm93 [1d\]: once again wont be able to hang go players:D:D
Hideko [2k\]: No, once the colours start going wrong the computer melts down
tm93 [1d\]: compter of course**
sweaty: Go Liang Go!
mhelvens [?\]: Can someone briefly explain 'the situation'? I didn't follow.
dsfss: are they playing on that fancy compouter goban or is someone entering the moves
Yippie [?\]: I hear more than half the dates people get is online, computers do handle love
littlebell [2k\]: ha!!! that's mith, xed, comp couldn't handle love
Moppel: at least they are playing go and no chess
xedover [?\]: but can the person who inputs the data handle it?
Remember [1d\]: d10?
ogre [2d?\]: c5 is probably a joseki move that has been carefully studied and i wouldnt be so quick to judge it
Micael [2k\]: atleast its still black & white and not red and blue colors 
Captcavern [4k\]: was really Myung Wan Tartrate ?
clydesdale [3k\]: Captain Kirk could always handle computers
harpo [?\]: i menat the computer program of course :(
Yippie [?\]: xedover, that's the most important question ever
hatego [3k\]: Capt: No.
Iciac [5k\]: I prefer black here.
dsfss: ill take white then
Remember [1d\]: ogre i don't know, looks more like a probe
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Program gets input. It calculates and everything is ok. It doesn't rethink its choices from before. It accumulates it.
USGO1 [-\]: The players were assigned the opposite colors than they are playing. The game will proceed, it seems, and later we'll see if the pairing computer is able to acknowledge the change and compensate for future rounds to make sure that no single player gets the same color too often.
yosogo [1d\]: will jannie comment on game again?
Vovka27 [3k\]: white always win ;)
Iciac [5k\]: *throws Jie playing black at dsfss*
Remember [1d\]: it's funny how c5 looks worse when you realize that the 7d amateur played it and not the 9d pro
evanj [2d\]: mhelven: The players are playing the wrong colors in real life (i.e. not the colors the tournament algorithm assigned them).  At first, the replay was set up according to the pairing, so the names were backwards (they have since been fixed).  The replay now reflects the real game, although it is still "wrong" according to the tournament setup.
Remember [1d\]: subjectivity..
ogre [2d?\]: w looks like plan to attack f13 strongly
dsfss: so what we see on the screen now is correct just last time to confirm
Remember [1d\]: USGO should have kept the names opposite and seen how we comment differently :)
evanj [2d\]: yes dsfss
mhelvens [?\]: Thanks, USGO1, evanj.
dsfss: ok
evanj [2d\]: although it depends on the meaning of "correct" :D
ogre [2d?\]: play at k12 first
TheElder [8k?\]: c5 may be a probe, but it has a lot of aji, potentially helping black on the left side.
hatego [3k\]: I think c5 is okay because B can't really hope to fight in that area. So, it is placed for aji later. 
Remember [1d\]: yes that's what probes do generally..
Remember [1d\]: they seek for aji
evanj [2d\]: they probe
Remember [1d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: It was quite interesting to see people's opinions change based on whose name was on each color.
Remember [1d\]: yes USGO, i thought so too
shouldBdan [7k\]: yes, whole perspective on the game changes when you find out the players were mislabelled
ogre [2d?\]: in joseki very strange move can be good
Remember [1d\]: i was like "man b is gonna pwn so hard with this moyo"
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;W[jh]C[dsfss: if c5 would be answered at a1 it would be a succesful probe
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;B[ii]C[Remember [1d\]: now i'm like "b's getting crushed because w has solid territory and will destroy his moyo"
hatego [3k\]: My opinion hasn't changed, USGO. I said they looked about even, now I like B a bit better. ^^
evanj [2d\]: hahah
ogre [2d?\]: how to pull out g12
chrpa [1k\]: my opinion changed
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;W[le]C[ogre [2d?\]: or does w leave it ?
Remember [1d\]: i think i still have faith in b's board position
vdsvsd: my girlfriend changed..
ralfcam [3k\]: i always new w was kim
yosogo [1d\]: m16
hatego [3k\]: I like B because I don't know how to handle j14 .
vdsvsd: interesting game
evanj [2d\]: well that's a hell of a move
vdsvsd: unusual shapes
TheElder [8k?\]: both players are playing solidly, imho
Remember [1d\]: hatego - unfortunately, w 9p knows how o.O
shouldBdan [7k\]: did a 3 year old sit down in w's seat?
hatego [3k\]: I know, Remember, but until I see how he does, I'd prefer to be B. :-)
Remember [1d\]: me too
Remember [1d\]: but after m15 not anymore
ralfcam [3k\]: m15 i like
Remember [1d\]: i bet my opinion of the sides will change every move haha
TheElder [8k?\]: m15 extends, reduces, and works well with r14
Remember [1d\]: w e12 maybe?
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;B[ld]C[evanj [2d\]: good shape but doesn't it risk giving b too much on the top? or is that still open enough to not be worrisome?
]
;W[me]C[scottw1919 [7k\]: black net atf11
Remember [1d\]: i think white can afford to give that to b
TheElder [8k?\]: there's the corner.
shouldBdan [7k\]: so strange w strategy?
TheElder [8k?\]: r17 still
Remember [1d\]: he needs to give his group shape
tm93 [1d\]: now r14 makes sense:)
USGO1 [-\]: Maeda Ryo 6p will be providing commentary on one of this morning's games. Stay tuned for an announcement!~
Walkinho [11k\]: is it streaming online?
Remember [1d\]: he has territory, and r17 corner
Remember [1d\]: is still open
Remember [1d\]: man w is badass
StefanRadu [1k\]: hello everybody is there a video live stream with this match? 
evanj [2d\]: w doesn't have much territory at all
TheElder [8k?\]: if white keeps sente, then he can always jump in to corner.
hatego [3k\]: no.\\
evanj [2d\]: nobod ydoes
Remember [1d\]: yeah but enough to give b a small amount at top
Remember [1d\]: r14 is an awesome move now
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;B[nc]C[tm93 [1d\]: q 9?
Remember [1d\]: now here - white can't allow something like black p14 can he?
Moppel: b will claim the komi at the end due to the list
Remember [1d\]: i want to see if/how he mends and connects his groups
shouldBdan [7k\]: this w idea is so weird
harpo [?\]: k11
TheElder [8k?\]: it's weird cause we are not 9p =P
xedover [?\]: and the camera is being setup now
hatego [3k\]: W has to play around q10?
Kryo [10k\]: so w is playing with negative komi
USGO1 [-\]: It looks like we might have a live feed soon.
ogre [2d?\]: r16?
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Player and spectators are two different, so how would even a likely minded know what the original is intended, no?
xedover [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
shouldBdan [7k\]: or maybe its weird because we are 9d
pebarefoot [-\]: USGO, way to go!
nasnad [2d\]: w would it be negative komi?
Remember [1d\]: i've never seen MaedaRyo [6p\] on kgs before
nasnad [2d\]: why
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;W[qd]
;B[qc]
;W[pc]C[ogre [2d?\]: q15
ogre [2d?\]: hmm
Iciac [5k\]: fight!
shouldBdan [7k\]: w wants to fix p14 area in sente some how
TheElder [8k?\]: myung wan is korean?
hatego [3k\]: Indeed.
tm93 [1d\]: there should be some music in live channel -.-
torajiro20 [5k\]: white is greedy
yosogo [1d\]: o17
yosogo [1d\]: p17
hatego [3k\]: This is not greed.
Moppel: nice view on the phone
Remember [1d\]: i got your music - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_CRbbHzT0Q
Draak [1d\]: w is not greedy
Captcavern [4k\]: ...nice blue wall !
ogre [2d?\]: this is to prevent s16 
tm93 [1d\]: remember its even better than wuwuzels
shouldBdan [7k\]: it would be really funny if the players sat down at the wrong table and this was a 3k game
Captcavern [4k\]: lol
hatego [3k\]: Myung wan in his golfing clothes?
Moppel: the bowl is in the way
pebarefoot [-\]: Well...I'm gettingh board 1 , anyway
xedover [?\]: but you can see the board here
yosogo [1d\]: p17 q15 p16 g11
NoBenjamin [5k\]: i like this better than the feed
tm93 [1d\]: wait a moment this music is really good ;)
Remember [1d\]: yeh
Remember [1d\]: dream theater is the best
Remember [1d\]: and that video is 90 minutes long :D
Draak [1d\]: wow what an ugly yellow board
tm93 [1d\]: i've seen its exacly what i need to watch whole go game :D
Draak [1d\]: can they move the w bowl^^
USGO11 [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US is now active
Moppel: yes. kick it away
xedover [?\]: no, they can't bother the players
nay4ok [2d?\]: yay
USGO1 [-\]: I think Myung Wan is planning on using it, sorry.
xedover [?\]: lol
Draak [1d\]: ;)
tm93 [1d\]: lol while i'm listening to this music the game got so much more excitingxDD
Remember [1d\]: im happy someone else has good music taste
Draak [1d\]: have the no respect for the vieuwers?
USGO1 [-\]: That should take care of the "haircut" question from earlier.
nay4ok [2d?\]: wow. sucha shyty goban... 
Remember [1d\]: mm thank ya
REAPHER [-\]: Man that board is hard on the eyes
USGO1 [-\]: The board isn't really as yellow as it looks in the video.
mhelvens [?\]: For some reason, I always imagined pro matches differently. With a thick goban with legs. Fewer media people and less purple walls.
mhelvens [?\]: :-)
REAPHER [-\]: oh lol
USGO1 [-\]: Flourescent lighting makes things look harsher.
Draak [1d\]: ah ok
USGO11 [?\]: i think its just my camera
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;B[pb]
;W[pe]
;B[oc]C[Remember [1d\]: dang, can't see their hair still
ogre [2d?\]: i can see the tables now
Moppel: its a 100% pure plastic goban
ogre [2d?\]: the table is too narrow
REAPHER [-\]: lol
Iciac [5k\]: q10
tm93 [1d\]: plastic goban - it sounds cool
Remember [1d\]: white fixed in sente it seems
nay4ok [2d?\]: I always though that it'd be better if camera was on top
Remember [1d\]: now, attack f13
ogre [2d?\]: ok so yea q17 prevented b from going s16
yosogo [1d\]: f11 now
ogre [2d?\]: w should make an extension
ogre [2d?\]: not f11
tm93 [1d\]: lol its great how w in sente totally reduced black influence up her
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;W[ji]
;B[pg]C[yosogo [1d\]: f11 can cut b
nasnad [2d\]: w also gave b points
Remember [1d\]: not to mention connected his groups
Hideko [2k\]: q13 is nice
ogre [2d?\]: i know f11 can cut b. its not the time to try
Remember [1d\]: i would e11 instead
Hideko [2k\]: e11 is a 1d move
yosogo [1d\]: but now with k11 now f11 is important
Remember [1d\]: f11 is a 4k move
Remember [1d\]: or a 9p move
Remember [1d\]: it all depends
yosogo [1d\]: on what?
Remember [1d\]: on how good you are to back up your moves :)
shouldBdan [7k\]: e11 doesnt work
Remember [1d\]: e11 does work to get j12
shouldBdan [7k\]: theres still a net
Moppel: b has the nicer water bottle so b will win
Remember [1d\]: you can not like e11, it doesn't matter
Remember [1d\]: no lol
Remember [1d\]: e11 f11 f12
Remember [1d\]: no net
ogre [2d?\]: i was thinking w should play an extension to make it easier to handle something like this
vandrei [11k\]: handi is existing
Remember [1d\]: e11 also breaks the ladder
harpo [?\]: e11 f11 f12 e12
vandrei [11k\]: how many handi
Remember [1d\]: ohhh
Remember [1d\]: i mean e12
Remember [1d\]: i mean e12 guys..
Remember [1d\]: not e11
Remember [1d\]: hehe
ogre [2d?\]: should be easy enough for b f15 stones to settle anyway
harpo [?\]: hmm
Remember [1d\]: e11 fails, my bad
a1h1 [1d\]: capturing the g12 stones is quite slow
a1h1 [1d\]: and pretty uninspiring
yosogo [1d\]: f15 is easy to settle but j11 is not
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;W[qh]C[ogre [2d?\]: j11 is right next to the b wall
ralfcam [3k\]: q12 
Moppel: will maeda ryo give comments into this camera ?
a1h1 [1d\]: yea j11 is in no danger
USGO1 [-\]: :P
Hideko [2k\]: p15
Remember [1d\]: j11 is in danger with e12
shouldBdan [7k\]: this is strange move
xedover [?\]: I think Maeda sensei will be doing commentary on the board 2 game
ogre [2d?\]: i really doubt if your seriously commenting
Remember [1d\]: me?
Remember [1d\]: i'm on percocet right now, so forgive me if i am giving fail moves or talking too much
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;B[oe]
;W[ph]C[ogre [2d?\]: heh
Hideko [2k\]: he played my move
Remember [1d\]: i just had surgery a couple days ago
USGO1 [-\]: We're going to try to get you a better shot of the players.
Remember [1d\]: so yeah
USGO1 [-\]: Less view of the board but that's what KGS is for.
Moppel: scribe needs more hair
Long88 [2d\]: what is a 9p doing in this tournament? out of place
USGO1 [-\]: Ouch!
ogre [2d?\]: get well soon then
Remember [1d\]: thanks
USGO1 [-\]: It's too hot to have hair.
shouldBdan [7k\]: im glad b did p15, i was trying to figure out how w to respond
hatego [3k\]: It's a trap!
REAPHER [-\]: lol
Gitah [?\]: hehe
USGO11 [?\]: =)
ogre [2d?\]: our camera got repositioned
seishiro [3k\]: yes it is 
Remember [1d\]: camera feed link again plz?
USGO1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Remember [1d\]: thanks
NoBenjamin [5k\]: usg01 are you the guy with da beard?
ralfcam [3k\]:  b can k13  now
Remember [1d\]: that guy watching the game must work out
Moppel: ill gonna buy glasses like b and play with pros too
shouldBdan [7k\]: oh, you can watch without signing in now; thats nice
ralfcam [3k\]: p13 
USGO11 [?\]: how's it now?
Domgo [3k\]: what's happening to the camera?
Moppel: noisy
ogre [2d?\]: someone is causing interference or something
Hideko [2k\]: R7
Acemi [?\]: are you the one sitting next to them usgo11?
shouldBdan [7k\]: is the pro the yellow shirt or red shirt?
Draak [1d\]: ofc...
Domgo [3k\]: better
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;B[ng]C[Domgo [3k\]: but there's still interferrence.
Vovka27 [3k\]: yellow
ralfcam [3k\]: almost\\
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan is in the yellow polo shirt
USGO11 [?\]: I'm Todd Blatt, aka baltimore, and wearing the admiral ackbar shirt, and controlling camera
ProoMas [12k\]: there's a live stream for this thing?
USGO1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Hideko [2k\]: Allah U Ackbar
Acemi [?\]: wave hand pls usg
GregHouse [2d\]: r6
shouldBdan [7k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Acemi I'll give you a thumbs up when you get rid of the ? mark
Acemi [?\]: ahahah we would like to see your face with that hand too :)
pebarefoot [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
NoBenjamin [5k\]: is there a go comunity in baltimore?
ibd [5k?\]: USGO1, put shoe on head
USGO1 [-\]: Is white in trouble in the middle now?
USGO11 [?\]: ya lots of go in bmore
vannab [3k\]: yellow favourate color today
ogre [2d?\]: wouldnt this be going easier for w if he had played extension instead of k11?
ralfcam [3k\]: n12 
Captcavern [4k\]: lol, focus on the hairs
Domgo [3k\]: black seem nervous with his feet
ibd [5k?\]: n12 overplay
arbi [5k\]: m13?
ralfcam [3k\]: how?
NoBenjamin [5k\]: cause i go to school in towson and no one bothered to tell me
Moppel: move
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;W[mh]C[USGO11 [?\]: or you never bothered to look.   email me. tblatt@gmail.com
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+11.5
ralfcam [3k\]: there
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
ralfcam [3k\]: :)
shouldBdan [7k\]: looks like w didnt fix in sente after all
ibd [5k?\]: w is 9p, he is allowed to overplay
NoBenjamin [5k\]: ty
ogre [2d?\]: good guess raflcam
ralfcam [3k\]: thx
YogSothoth [1d\]: pretty hard to count at this point
Moppel: b is allowed to look at the SE 3 times
USGO1 [-\]: Where should black take sente?
ralfcam [3k\]: im ctually 9p but i play like 3k
ogre [2d?\]: upper left?
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;B[kg]C[Piggen94 [5k\]:  im ctually 9p but i play like 5k
Autumn [-\]: ....
shouldBdan [7k\]: i'm actually 7k but play like a 9d
ibd [5k?\]: really? I wouldn't have guessed
Moppel: over
Awake [-\]: He escaped.
Moppel: b had to go
Hideko [2k\]: applaus for L13
Onmyoji [-\]: im actually [-\] but play like a [?\]
ralfcam [3k\]: l14 
scottw1919 [7k\]: n12 protected that cutting point
ProoMas [12k\]: l13 is a very intresting move :P
shouldBdan [7k\]: did he go to ask his sensei?
ogre [2d?\]: l14 k13 m13 k15 k14 j15 
ProoMas [12k\]: yes I'm thinking about l14 aswell
ogre [2d?\]: so its not so easy to handle
Aokame [2k\]: i just returned, wasn kim9p b beofre at the description?
USGO1 [-\]: Someone nearby just went thru an emergency-only door and a siren is going off.
ogre [2d?\]: l14 does not work
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;W[jg]C[Moppel: he will consult gnugo on the toilet
ogre [2d?\]: is what the sequence i put
shouldBdan [7k\]: wha?
ogre [2d?\]: means
pebarefoot [-\]: hmm, I'm not getting any sound on the live stream
ProoMas [12k\]: wtf
Aokame [2k\]: usgo1, did the description changed?
shouldBdan [7k\]: the players changed seats
ogre [2d?\]: n15 stones matter nothing
shouldBdan [7k\]: to play from each others position
USGO1 [-\]: Yes the description changed because the players sat down to the wrong seats and are not playing their assigned colors. The game is correct as it appears here.
ibd [5k?\]: m12?
Captcavern [4k\]: that ba chance pebarfoot ;)
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;B[nh]C[Hideko [2k\]: Did they change colours again?
Captcavern [4k\]: sound not good
USGO1 [-\]: heheh, no they haven't changed colors
Hideko [2k\]: thx
Aokame [2k\]: thx
Piggen94 [5k\]: i don´t like the camera man
shouldBdan [7k\]: thats not very nice; he's in the room with us
Aokame [2k\]: wow, tjheres also stream available?
Aokame [2k\]: theres*
hatego [3k\]: Yeah, I hate when people spend their time doing work for our benefit. How selfish.
ProoMas [12k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/us-go-congress-2010
Sonatine [7k\]: why don't you put the camera near players?
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;W[qk]C[MrCactu5 [2k\]: I would do N13 in this case
Aokame [2k\]: nice, thx proo
MrCactu5 [2k\]: but probably too slow
MrCactu5 [2k\]: yeah..
USGO1 [-\]: There's not an optimal place for the camera, it seems.
Piggen94 [5k\]: the camera man sucks
shouldBdan [7k\]: is this working out for w? cause it really dosetn seem....
Piggen94 [5k\]: bad angel
pg [20k?\]: you mean angle
shouldBdan [7k\]: i want so see up w nose
Piggen94 [5k\]: yeah
Morla [5d\]: b is a bit lack of territory?
Piggen94 [5k\]: angle
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;B[pf]C[Wagaboo [10k\]: hello
rsj3 [1d\]: honey bunches of oats?!
pebarefoot [-\]: the early camera position was much better
ralfcam [3k\]: this is nice game
Wagaboo [10k\]: is that rengo?
Moppel: there is a 100$ bill under your chair, scribe
shouldBdan [7k\]: this is a confusing game
USGO1 [-\]: You are welcome to come to next year's congress and set up a tripod. If you want to volunteer, contact the 2011 go congress directors or the e-journal team.
ralfcam [3k\]: ill like to do that
A1R [4k\]: where is the next years congress?
USGO1 [-\]: Los Angeles I think.
seishiro [3k\]: somewhere in california 
ralfcam [3k\]: even better
cloudo [2k\]: i thought alaska
ProoMas [12k\]: South Africa
Captcavern [4k\]: he has not many choices, but first place was better
Wagaboo [10k\]: is it rengo or not ? ^^
pebarefoot [-\]: I just might be able to afford to come if it is in LA :-)
shouldBdan [7k\]: r15 seems no good; what can w do?
indianayk [4d\]: Sacramento, Cal
Smilogo [6k\]: can b do st against the middle group?
ralfcam [3k\]: w is going down
ProoMas [12k\]: why r15 isn't good?
ibd [5k?\]: r15 only local move
Aokame [2k\]: guy with yellow shirt, is that myung wan?
hatego [3k\]: Yes.
seishiro [3k\]: yep
altrecop [1k\]: how old is he?
shouldBdan [7k\]: cant r15
nasnad [2d\]: w could sac
ProoMas [12k\]: why not?
USGO11 [?\]: santa barbara, ca
ogre [2d?\]: r15 r13 s13 s12 s11 s14 t12 s16 
ProoMas [12k\]: why can't he just R15? I don't get it =D
indianayk [4d\]: thanks for correcting me
Aokame [2k\]: whats the second biggest torunament in usa besides the congress?
USGO1 [-\]: I believe Myung Wan is 31 or 32 years old.
ralfcam [3k\]: i think w q12 was not that good
FrodosGban [8k?\]: i favor s 15
ProoMas [12k\]: well
ProoMas [12k\]: T12 instead s 11
Domgo [3k\]: p3 
Draak [1d\]: pros think about their moves proomas...
ProoMas [12k\]: really?
MrOnizuka [-\]: r6 ?
Acemi [?\]: s14 
NoBenjamin [5k\]: is there any other option then r15?
ProoMas [12k\]: t1
Domgo [3k\]: tenuki is an option
shouldBdan [7k\]: o11
warweak2 [6k?\]: yeh white needs to fill our his shape will be hurt severely if black gets R15
FrodosGban [8k?\]: c 10
scottw1919 [7k\]: r6
GregHouse [2d\]: r6
Domgo [3k\]: but r15 worth 10 point i think
Acemi [?\]: s14 is a nice option infact
seishiro [3k\]: how much time do both player get?
Moppel: nice bag
Aune [7k\]: r15 r13 s13 s12 s14 s11 r10 , fout liberties each and blacks turn
cloudo [2k\]: his shape is allready hurt
bjoerni [7k\]: what an idiot - standing in front of the cam
GregHouse [2d\]: b played gote here
Piggen94 [5k\]: stupid peoples
FrodosGban [8k?\]: what shape is a triagle
FrodosGban [8k?\]: *n
AHCfujikun [5k\]: hahaha
Korea4K [2d\]: R6
GrayRoger [7k\]: lots of big points to play
sighting [?\]: r6 is pretty big
USGO1 [-\]: @Aokame the North American Ing Masters Tournament is big, though not in terms of players at the tournament itself. One must qualify for a spot of the 32 seats there. We will be broadcasting those games in the evenings starting at 7pm local time.
shouldBdan [7k\]: is kim's 9p from korea?
ogre [2d?\]: no way
warweak2 [6k?\]: if white was going to tenuki i would play on the left side
USGO1 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?KimMyeongWan
sighting [?\]: every kim is from korea
Moppel: every korean is kim
hatego [3k\]: Kim the Pink Ranger wasn't from Korea.
USGO11 [?\]: i think the cotsen is really big
jenesis [4d?\]: are the results so far summarized anywhere?
shouldBdan [7k\]: that senseis page says he's 8d
ralfcam [3k\]: i have no clue of next move
ibd [5k?\]: d10 next move
MrCactu5 [2k\]: why does B want W to connect?  
MrCactu5 [2k\]: maybe to play S10
harvey103 [2k\]: there are many american woman named Kim like KIm Novak was 50s movie actress
ProoMas [12k\]: left side to me looks like a hoshi was attacked with f3 and white pincered
FrodosGban [8k?\]: cuz its bad shape
ProoMas [12k\]: but I don't get where's E3 stone from =D?
hatego [3k\]: W will tenuki in my opinion.
Draak [1d\]: maybe he ranked up shouldbdan
ProoMas [12k\]: he just tenuked there?
feyodora [14k\]: does this relayed live?
indianayk [4d\]: w needs to find a move to settle the middle group fast
ibd [5k?\]: promas, you can replay the game
Aokame [2k\]: i see usgo
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: The family name ' Kim' has been in China for thousands of yrs.
MrCactu5 [2k\]: if W ansers tere it would be R13
MrCactu5 [2k\]: probably bigger places on the board
Moppel: he will ne domoted to 8p again for choosing the wrong color
Smilogo [6k\]: why not p3?
marius1 [1d\]: G11
FrodosGban [8k?\]: f11
ralfcam [3k\]: k13 feels week to me
MrCactu5 [2k\]: or R6
GrayRoger [7k\]: w will tenuki! (says the 7k)
ibd [5k?\]: 7k probably right
ibd [5k?\]: else he woulddn't think so long for an obvious move
ralfcam [3k\]: o10 
Korea4K [2d\]: J9 or R6 so is naxt move 
MrCactu5 [2k\]: S15 isn't worth it
ralfcam [3k\]: i say
marius1 [1d\]: R15 not so big
MrCactu5 [2k\]: D10 or 100 other big moves
FrodosGban [8k?\]: L15
Moppel: he would play rather elsewhere than tenuki
MXHero [3d\]: b seems to be gaining locally everywhere but losing globally
ProoMas [12k\]: lol
ogre [2d?\]: this is a big reading
Aokame [2k\]: its like yesterday myung wan played mogo. is that really 2 years ago? time flies...
pebarefoot [-\]: USGO, thank you for scribing and the try at a video feed! I'll tune in at ^ for thew NAIM, also.
NoBenjamin [5k\]: whats the clock time?
ProoMas [12k\]: nah white is just thinking how the hell did he got in such situation
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
Korea4K [2d\]: w cant answer w should play big point 
hatego [3k\]: d18 or r6 
ogre [2d?\]: what happens after r15 r13 s13 s12 s14 s11 r11 s10 s9 r10 q10 p12 q11 q9 
FrodosGban [8k?\]: if w doesnt answer b goes r13?
ogre [2d?\]: with w want to cut p14
shouldBdan [7k\]: w will resign
GrayRoger [7k\]: i have played with one 9d and he seemed to read far far ahead just by  taking  a quick look
FrodosGban [8k?\]: w is 9p?
GrayRoger [7k\]: so what they do with 10 minutes beets me
cloudo [2k\]: my cats fur is so soft
Sjonny [8k\]: How can 7 dan amateur beat 9p?
Draak [1d\]: no frodo he is fake
ralfcam [3k\]: 7 number
tm93 [1d\]: r 15 r 13 a 13 sorry that makes no sense
Sjonny [8k\]: so is 8, but it doesnt mean i can beat a 1k
ralfcam [3k\]: thinking ist most important
Moppel: welcome to the hiddden camera, those ar both 30k players
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;W[db]C[FrodosGban [8k?\]: lol
sighting [?\]: @_@
feyodora [14k\]: oooh
FrodosGban [8k?\]: who guessed that one
shouldBdan [7k\]: nobody guessed d18
ralfcam [3k\]: OMG
Smilogo [6k\]: Sjonny:we just look ;-)
ralfcam [3k\]: scuch a great move
ralfcam [3k\]: !!!!
USGO1 [-\]: While Jie has a rank of 7d, his rating is actually 8.27
GrayRoger [7k\]: thhat was not on my top 30 moves list
FrodosGban [8k?\]: it is strong
MXHero [3d\]: i am surprised reinforcing k12 isn't the biggest move
cloudo [2k\]: why?
ralfcam [3k\]: w goiing for f13 
Katsuri [3k\]: there are a broadcast?
cloudo [2k\]: it is slow?
ogre [2d?\]: lots of people said tenuky
Yanwangye [-\]: its good move
Smilogo [6k\]: hatego does
Hideko [2k\]: zomg, D18 is ginourmous
Morla [5d\]: d18 helps k12 a lot
FrodosGban [8k?\]: ok its slow im interested what b does to w now
Korea4K [2d\]: D18 has multi fuction make big corner and attackt on b groupe
ralfcam [3k\]: f11 
ralfcam [3k\]: e11 
danielhast [5k\]: threatening to take away F17's base
Hideko [2k\]: F11
Moppel: d18 was not tenuki, it answered just f17 a little late
nasnad [2d\]: k12 has no problems at the moment really
MXHero [3d\]: moppel, tha'ts the definition of tenuki here
Domgo [3k\]: f11 
Sjonny [8k\]: j 18 if black wants a base?
Domgo [3k\]: but this exchange is better for wite
Domgo [3k\]: white
Moppel: well...^^
ProoMas [12k\]: white is losing teribly =D?
nasnad [2d\]: i would be worried about w running with g12 now if i was black
FrodosGban [8k?\]: b needs global pow
nasnad [2d\]: i think he should do something about it right away
MXHero [3d\]: n3?
ralfcam [3k\]: f10 
harpo [?\]: d18 better at r6?
shouldBdan [7k\]: pretty much any play in mid left fixes g12
MXHero [3d\]: no scratch that, just play f11, b
enz8 [4k\]: video link?
ProoMas [12k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/us-go-congress-2010
FrodosGban [8k?\]: y  f11 urgent
ProoMas [12k\]: or http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
ProoMas [12k\]: it's the same
enz8 [4k\]: thx
nasnad [2d\]: i think so too, but maybe it is just for us beginners
HandA [1k\]: anyone have link to the results of round 1?
ProoMas [12k\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt
nasnad [2d\]: maybe c13 or something
Moppel: not egc , ...
ProoMas [12k\]: ops
]
;B[fi]C[oren [5k?\]: HandA, http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
Smilogo [6k\]: yeah make a net
HandA [1k\]: proomas that's the euro one
Vincent [3d\]: obvius move al least
Acemi [?\]: think about black now. He counted all possibilities at the right side after his P15 move and now he has to restart after D18
HandA [1k\]: thanks oren
ralfcam [3k\]: hm such a great mmovee
ralfcam [3k\]: !!
ogre [2d?\]: tesuji!
ralfcam [3k\]: i think b its conected now 
shouldBdan [7k\]: thats called a net
nasnad [2d\]: it increases the aji of c5 a lot
MXHero [3d\]: i can't decide how important the left side is now
ralfcam [3k\]: bt i have to do some reding
shouldBdan [7k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Net
Draak [1d\]: jesus man
ogre [2d?\]: w should protect middle now
vannab [3k\]: k9?
ProoMas [12k\]: N13?
ralfcam [3k\]: r6 
Moppel: they have all the same bottles
ogre [2d?\]: n11?
Sjonny [8k\]: isnt r 15 huge
ProoMas [12k\]: n11 seems nice
HandA [1k\]: so many asians...
nasnad [2d\]: too me n11 looks small
ProoMas [12k\]: w can't r15
MXHero [3d\]: r15 has complications at r13 s13 s12
GrayRoger [7k\]: e12?
ptitlou [2d\]: p9 ?
ProoMas [12k\]: well, I would
ProoMas [12k\]: but
dfgfdg: n9
ProoMas [12k\]: the silly pro doesn't
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
Moppel: scribe is bored
ogre [2d?\]: r15 is not really going to protect the middle
shikashogi [10k\]: myung won yesterday right?
MXHero [3d\]: hmm how about hane at o11? is it totally awful?
ogre [2d?\]: even if w can capture q13 stones in the sequence b can just o14
]
;W[qn]C[ralfcam [3k\]: there
ralfcam [3k\]: :)
]
;B[ke]C[ralfcam [3k\]: 2 geses
ogre [2d?\]: maybe hane o11 is good for reduce libs
Draak [1d\]: you should rank up soon ralf^^
ralfcam [3k\]: i wish
USGO1 [-\]: ralfcam has had a few great moves so far this game
ralfcam [3k\]: :)
Gitah [?\]: strong 3k
ProoMas [12k\]: m13?
MXHero [3d\]: usgo has been telling the players what ralfcam wanted them to play! :)
Smilogo [6k\]: what about w center now?
USGO1 [-\]: You'll never know!
MXHero [3d\]: classic chicken or the egg, i'd say
nasnad [2d\]: it needs to go out soon before it is forced to live small
ralfcam [3k\]: i told kim that he was white
]
;W[mi]C[ProoMas [12k\]: scientists found out that it's chicken MXHero
Smilogo [6k\]: he heard you nasnad
USGO1 [-\]: What's black's next play?
Zairex [1k\]: o11
nasnad [2d\]: hehe
nasnad [2d\]: o3 maybe
MrCactu5 [2k\]: when did white make R6??
ogre [2d?\]: n3?
Aquarius [2k?\]: i think whites left side will have a hard time now
]
;B[ni]C[shouldBdan [7k\]: w won
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
Aquarius [2k?\]: right side, sorry
ogre [2d?\]: oh yeah there
ogre [2d?\]: lol
ProoMas [12k\]: nice Zairex
USGO1 [-\]: I think the kyu players are guessing right more than the dan players.
]
;W[mk]C[shouldBdan [7k\]: right side looks pretty strong
Domgo [3k\]: o11 not good
nasnad [2d\]: :)
blink [3d\]: b ends up without much territory
ogre [2d?\]: hey i was close with n11 just one move early
Smilogo [6k\]: right side looks pretty low :)
vannab [3k\]: where is b going to make pts?
ralfcam [3k\]: k9 
akko888 [13k\]: k9 maybe?
nasnad [2d\]: b has points already
nasnad [2d\]: doesnt need much more
shouldBdan [7k\]: b has almost no points
vannab [3k\]: too few
Domgo [3k\]: black is loosing.
MXHero [3d\]: kyu players have the benefit of having fewer bad preconceptions stuck in their heads
tm93 [1d\]: sorry i was away for a moment f 11 was played after d 18??
ProoMas [12k\]: yes
]
;B[nj]C[tm93 [1d\]: thx:)
simplet [2d\]: but white has a weak group
bolbi [-\]: tm93 : options >> view offline
nasnad [2d\]: to me it looks like it is white who needs ther points
FrodosGban [8k?\]: dan players have lots of memories to remember^^
it [-\]: try 'options' / 'view offline'
Aquarius [2k?\]: dont thzink that blacks position is that bad
Moppel: c5 looks like a batoo hidden stone
tm93 [1d\]: havent thought bout it :)
nasnad [2d\]: c5 has much aji
Meerkov [5k\]: P3 is a strong move
ralfcam [3k\]: this is verry hard game to gess now
ogre [2d?\]: m8?
nasnad [2d\]: so w doesnt have very many solid points
FrodosGban [8k?\]: b does ter-rduction=
FrodosGban [8k?\]: ^^
ralfcam [3k\]: q4 
shouldBdan [7k\]: w has tons of points
sighting [?\]: w is leading a lot
NoBenjamin [5k\]: i like j10
ProoMas [12k\]: p3?
sweety [-\]: The US Open: Maeda Ryo 6p is going to comment on board2! Please join his Demo at the top of the Active Games tab!
Smilogo [6k\]: it depends on how good can center group live
nasnad [2d\]: how many does w have?
tm93 [1d\]: atacking white group has no sense for me:/
ogre [2d?\]: i dont tnuki the middle
tm93 [1d\]: it will live anyway
tm93 [1d\]: and w gets into black influence:/
ralfcam [3k\]: its not soo easy
shouldBdan [7k\]: why hes going to comment on game 2?
FrodosGban [8k?\]: b proofes having no clue where to play
USGO1 [-\]: Because it's interesting, I assume.
Domgo [3k\]: h6 ?
Zairex [1k\]: tm93 attack should always be directed to ones influence
Domgo [3k\]: h6 g5 k6 
ProoMas [12k\]: because game 2 is less complicated
ProoMas [12k\]: so less chance of 6p screwing up
tm93 [1d\]: but this time his just losing possible points thats what i meant...
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
tm93 [1d\]: he's*
ptitlou [2d\]: r13 ?
nasnad [2d\]: b is keeping w r low
ogre [2d?\]: proomas pros dont get luxury of choosing less complicated
ProoMas [12k\]: =(
FrodosGban [8k?\]: should w shut l side up?
MXHero [3d\]: b might be able to expose w's thinness on the right, if this continues
Aquarius [2k?\]: agreed
Optician [1k\]: m8 looks useful
nasnad [2d\]: i think b is ok
ogre [2d?\]: k9?
simplet [2d\]: its appropriate to defend center group now
ogre [2d?\]: or h10
FrodosGban [8k?\]: e12?
ralfcam [3k\]: this move is verry importat for w now
USGO1 [-\]: I don't suppose you can see Myung Wan's sunburn...
USGO1 [-\]: his arms are peeling like crazy.
Smilogo [6k\]: can w make base on upper side?
ralfcam [3k\]: m8 
MXHero [3d\]: e12 is a bit premature; notice that w can play j10 in sente now, without the e12 exchange
sheeryjay [2k\]: Have some photos posted on webpage ;)
arbas [3k\]: peeling?
MXHero [3d\]: of course now that i say that, w will play e12 very soon :P
ogre [2d?\]: maybe he is just suffering from ghoulification
nasnad [2d\]: i guess w must be considering tenuki
sighting [?\]: cant tenuki
nasnad [2d\]: i agree :)
nasnad [2d\]: i would naswer
Aquarius [2k?\]: on the left black has c8 to aim at, so there is not so much for white, but of course whites corners are big
ogre [2d?\]: n3
ogre [2d?\]: w can play n3 and it help center from a distance
]
;W[ij]C[MXHero [3d\]: oh snap
]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]C[ogre [2d?\]: that was one of my suggestions
Hideko [2k\]: J6
NoBenjamin [5k\]: me 2!
MXHero [3d\]: now e12 is looking like a great kikashi
akko888 [13k\]: cut @ k10 maybe?
ralfcam [3k\]: w wins
sighting [?\]: cant cut @_@
nasnad [2d\]: b tenuki now i guess
MXHero [3d\]: r8?
hatego [3k\]: Funny ladder.
arbi [5k\]: i guess n10
ogre [2d?\]: this is how h11 might have been better than f11
akko888 [13k\]: o D:
Morla [5d\]: w e12 still aji-keshi for me
Aquarius [2k?\]: if white gets secure in the center g5 might get a problem
]
;B[pl]
;W[ql]
;B[mj]C[MXHero [3d\]: hmm this looks like serious aji keshi; b must have a plan that i don't see
]
;W[lj]
;B[lk]C[nasnad [2d\]: haha
FrodosGban [8k?\]: aji keshi means?
nasnad [2d\]: b creative
ralfcam [3k\]: m8 
shouldBdan [7k\]: b desperate
Baldanders [7k\]: aji keshi = destroying potential
MXHero [3d\]: erasing potential, frodo
ProoMas [12k\]: b greedy
Smilogo [6k\]: destroy eyes?
]
;W[kj]C[FrodosGban [8k?\]: n13 by b
MXHero [3d\]: q8 looks totally not worth it here
]
;B[kk]C[ralfcam [3k\]: oh man
USGO1 [-\]: Smilogo is on the money I think
nasnad [2d\]: b attacking hard
shouldBdan [7k\]: hes trying to kill the w
ralfcam [3k\]: this is going to be good
shouldBdan [7k\]: this looks like kyu
Hideko [2k\]: crazy kyu
]
;W[hk]C[Smilogo [6k\]: yeah :)
]
;B[fk]C[USGO1 [-\]: What can white do here?
ralfcam [3k\]: k9 
mFz [3k\]: trying to kill 9p is insane
nasnad [2d\]: the difference is that this time maybe it is good
FrodosGban [8k?\]: wow this 9p killed p's b4
GregHouse [2d\]: h6
Zairex [1k\]: at least black is using his wall
ralfcam [3k\]: b wins
ogre [2d?\]: w wont die
nasnad [2d\]: i know i would die as white here
nasnad [2d\]: kim wont, but it should cost to live
Korea4K [2d\]: G10 Atari
Draak [1d\]: R2D2!
shouldBdan [7k\]: the w can make a hasty at around the j16 area any time
danielhast [5k\]: Does G10 work?
ProoMas [12k\]: no
ProoMas [12k\]: not really
Korea4K [2d\]: F8 not bad
danielhast [5k\]: threaten to either break out or attack top left black group
ptitlou [2d\]: n8 ?
antoine123 [7k?\]: C3P0
ptitlou [2d\]: or even m8 ?
]
;W[gm]C[ralfcam [3k\]: !!
Draak [1d\]: good move antoine^^
Smilogo [6k\]: breakthrough!
pg [20k?\]: amazing
shouldBdan [7k\]: run with keima, this kim needs to read janice kim's books
ralfcam [3k\]: g8 
pg [20k?\]: awesome series
akko888 [13k\]: f6?
Draak [1d\]: maybe is also an attack
Smilogo [6k\]: no run, attack! ;-)
MXHero [3d\]: if it makes you feel better, w has g9 in sente so it's a 1 point jump :)
ogre [2d?\]: g9?
shouldBdan [7k\]: that does make me feel better :)
Smilogo [6k\]: we all feel better
ogre [2d?\]: there are many times you run with keima is only move 
Hideko [2k\]: heaves sigh if relief
topos [4k\]: f7
ptitlou [2d\]: once you see it on the board, g7 really looks great...
flaaz [7k\]: w has g9 and n8?
twold [1k\]: ogre: example?
Smilogo [6k\]: it`s easier to sacrifice with keima :)
covtxrider [15k\]: i would play f7, so it is prolly wrong
indianayk [4d\]: c3?
danielhast [5k\]: after f7, what's black's response to g6 double peep?
ralfcam [3k\]: how long has it be
ralfcam [3k\]: the game?
akko888 [13k\]: why i was thinking f6
USGO1 [-\]: I'm going to tag out with Todd for a few minutes. Keep guessing!
ralfcam [3k\]: i say g8 
arbas [3k\]: how many times for both please?
HandA [1k\]: i don't see white dying here
Optician [1k\]: how much time left ?
Smilogo [6k\]: what`s w idea after f7?
]
;B[em]C[fireball [1k\]: o
akko888 [13k\]: n9 stone seems ominous
arbas [3k\]: merci optician
ralfcam [3k\]: !!!!!!!!!!!! O MAn what a move3
arbi [5k\]: i w doesnt die then b should res right?
tm93 [1d\]: ?? rather only move i this situation
Smilogo [6k\]: i mean e7 :)
nasnad [2d\]: no
tm93 [1d\]: in*
nasnad [2d\]: b doesnt resign
tm93 [1d\]: j/7?
arbi [5k\]: is it still compatible for b then
Hideko [2k\]: why should he resign?
]
;W[hn]
;B[go]
;W[jn]C[Smilogo [6k\]: make an eye!
miao [6d\]: nas didn´t sya he should
arbi [5k\]: it seems to me that b's only hope is center
ptitlou [2d\]: n8 !
ralfcam [3k\]: l7 
ralfcam [3k\]: j7 
NoBenjamin [5k\]: b needs to watch for j5
]
;B[km]C[GrayRoger [7k\]: how much more time do they have?
ralfcam [3k\]: h
ptitlou [2d\]: yes j7 and hten n8
ralfcam [3k\]: l7 
ralfcam [3k\]: 3
ogre [2d?\]: j5
akko888 [13k\]: m7?
ralfcam [3k\]: this is my new record
ogre [2d?\]: well nah b can get too much bottom mabe
ralfcam [3k\]: j5 
ptitlou [2d\]: l6 ?
GrayRoger [7k\]: must feel good to encircle a 9p like this
Captcavern [4k\]: white (yellow) impressive, alwas calm.
ralfcam [3k\]: i bet Jie is realy nerveous
Smilogo [6k\]: not, if he gets two eyes!
ogre [2d?\]: ok maybe its time to bite the bullet and go j5
MXHero [3d\]: only feels good until the 9p encircles you back :)
goatsunday [8k\]: how much time is left?
ralfcam [3k\]: j5  yep
NoBenjamin [5k\]: k7
ralfcam [3k\]: w reading what after j5 
RobertBe [?\]: j5 f7?
arbi [5k\]: j5 double attcks
HandA [1k\]: m13 is one eye
ralfcam [3k\]: j5 f7 
GregHouse [2d\]: w alive
ralfcam [3k\]: j5 f7 m5 ?
covtxrider [15k\]: d11
GregHouse [2d\]: c11
Smilogo [6k\]: m6
GregHouse [2d\]: or c6
Captcavern [4k\]: thx greg ! even if he dont move
MilanMilan [9d\]: w really impressive
GregHouse [2d\]: why?
MilanMilan [9d\]: b don't get any chance yet
covtxrider [15k\]: wouldnt c6 be over concentrated?
GoVortex [6d\]: e6 f7 f6 g6 g8 
USGO1 [-\]: Time check: White has 52 minutes, Black has 61 minutes Basic Time left.
HandA [1k\]: 9p yo
ralfcam [3k\]: milanmaln
arbi [5k\]: milan what would you play?
ralfcam [3k\]: gess next move
arbi [5k\]: now
Smilogo [6k\]: m6 we want it all! :)
GrayRoger [7k\]: g9
goatsunday [8k\]: thx
Captcavern [4k\]: sorry *about "w is alive" :)
HandA [1k\]: just g9 and then m13?
shouldBdan [7k\]: too submissive
]
;W[en]C[GoVortex [6d\]: told you
lkjhlkjh: m13 loses m15 also
HandA [1k\]: alive is enough lol
MXHero [3d\]: vortex nice
covtxrider [15k\]: 9p empty triangle!
ralfcam [3k\]: ohhhh
seishiro [3k\]: it is stable 
ralfcam [3k\]: f7 
Sven84 [3k\]: yeah i agree f7
danielhast [5k\]: w trying to get j7 in sente, I think
]
;B[in]
;W[im]
;B[io]C[HandA [1k\]: white happy?
tm93 [1d\]: ??what up
seishiro [3k\]: yes he is 
miao [6d\]: does he smile?
atman [?\]: b attack came to nothing
antoine123 [7k?\]: lol
GrayRoger [7k\]: F7 obvious now?
ogre [2d?\]: he facing away from camera
HandA [1k\]: smirking like mad
Smilogo [6k\]: why not f6 instead of j6?
xedover [?\]: I think the video is frozen
mhelvens [?\]: For me too.
MatchFree [-\]: ice tv
danielhast [5k\]: video frozen for me too
Moppel: vids cannot freeze in summer
MXHero [3d\]: smilogo, then b loses g5 or e7
Krao [2k\]: where i7 the vi8eo?
tm93 [1d\]: its summer what more can you want than ice
Hideko [2k\]: f7
Smilogo [6k\]: thx
Krao [2k\]: where is the video?
]
;W[el]C[danielhast [5k\]: video is at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
tm93 [1d\]: empty triangle rules:/
Moppel: you need to insert go coin sto make it running again
tm93 [1d\]: this link is porn dont click
lkjhlkjh: nice move
ralfcam [3k\]: n3 
Hydryad [5k\]: maybe porn for go lovers
Hydryad [5k\]: who take their love a liiiiitle too far
Acemi [?\]: f7 
]
;B[cn]C[MXHero [3d\]: w gets to reinforce the left -and- save a group, all in one move
Smilogo [6k\]: now w dont need to make eyes anymore
Moppel: naked go stones should be censored
tm93 [1d\]: i dont what they make with stones...
tm93 [1d\]: i dony want to know*...
GoVortex [6d\]: c4 
hatego [3k\]: tm93, I would stop. You are probably on thin ice.
Hideko [2k\]: B4
akko888 [13k\]: c10
evanj [2d\]: that's some video
tm93 [1d\]: u are too, with nick "gatego":P
peter2 [2k\]: is it a video feed or a still?
tm93 [1d\]: "hatego" :/
USGO1 [-\]: Working on getting the video back up now...
Moppel: just show an ol dtape
arbi [5k\]: what is k7 now?
ralfcam [3k\]: when Jie played c5 he knew board was going to be like this
Yanwangye [-\]: nothing
arbi [5k\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan has 45min left, Jie has 1hr
IceSpectre [4k\]: from the first look at the board ... emmm what the hell is going on there :P 
Optician [1k\]: c7 looks almost forced
XY0908 [-\]: Soon there will be a lunch break.
nasnad [2d\]: optional?
IceSpectre [4k\]: c4 ?
ogre [2d?\]: c8?
]
;W[lp]C[leachy [5k\]: how does w ensure connection after c4?
Sven84 [3k\]: tenuki :D
akko888 [13k\]: what?
ralfcam [3k\]: m5 
arbi [5k\]: yeah
pebarefoot [-\]: will they break for lunch or finish the games first?
evanj [2d\]: up to them
]
;B[lo]C[pebarefoot [-\]: ic
pebarefoot [-\]: thx
IceSpectre [4k\]: it's take time to understand what the hell is going on here :) 
Hideko [2k\]: no, they will be going out for Ramen
USGO1 [-\]: My guess is that they will break for lunch.
]
;W[jm]C[arbi [5k\]: k7 now?
arbi [5k\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: After all, we're only on move 95
mhelvens [?\]: Last time they sealed a move and went for lunch in the middle of the game.
]
;B[kn]C[ralfcam [3k\]: p6 
ogre [2d?\]: no cafeteria?
Acemi [?\]: p4 
ralfcam [3k\]: b done
Moppel: lunch breaks dont sound very olympic
Hideko [2k\]: f2 is big
leachy [5k\]: yeah i would have thought you could have your lunch at the board discreetly
ogre [2d?\]: f2 is not big yet
Hideko [2k\]: Lunch at the board is barbaric
akko888 [13k\]: can b get something with m2?
]
;W[fr]C[MXHero [3d\]: hehe
Moppel: they shall fight not eat
USGO1 [-\]: Kyus on fire~
Hideko [2k\]: Hahahahahahaha
MXHero [3d\]: kyu wins again lol
]
;B[dm]C[sighting [?\]: lol
Hideko [2k\]: that made my day ;)
ogre [2d?\]: :)
]
;W[cp]C[XY0908 [-\]: W is ahead with territory?
leachy [5k\]: this is what i don't get. how could w omit playing c7 or similar
ralfcam [3k\]: f7 
ogre [2d?\]: cause w has stone at c14
NoBenjamin [5k\]: c12
ogre [2d?\]: b cant get so huge points on left
sighting [?\]: if c7 b could cut f7
leachy [5k\]: yeah c14 is there but pain involved
]
;B[cg]C[NoBenjamin [5k\]: close...
USGO1 [-\]: Jie has left the room for a moment.
ralfcam [3k\]: bad conection?
ralfcam [3k\]: hehe
Iyas [15k?\]: Meeting his secret contact in the bathroom
Iyas [15k?\]: a 9d!
MXHero [3d\]: just an escaper :P
mhelvens [?\]: Video is back.
antoine123 [7k?\]: how can a 7d manage to do anything playing a 9p?
USGO1 [-\]: Trying a new angle on the video, let me know what you think.
]
;W[bg]C[Zairex [1k\]: 7d highest amateur rank
MXHero [3d\]: 7d is the highest non-pro rank, so it's possible they could be the same skill level
covtxrider [15k\]: logging on to kgs to get some goo dkyu advice
ogre [2d?\]: ack your shirt scared me
shouldBdan [7k\]: aga goes to 9d ama
Hideko [2k\]: if you win the wagc you get 8d
]
;B[bh]C[MXHero [3d\]: i believe they truncated the ranks recently, down to 7d
mhelvens [?\]: I was told 1p should be stronger than 7d.
USGO1 [-\]: Jie returns and plays his move with very little time to think.
gdghgjd [2d\]: Jie, Liang = Jie, Li  ?
evanj [2d\]: nope
evanj [2d\]: can you post video link again, pls?
danielhast [5k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
gdghgjd [2d\]: is Jie, Li paticipating in this tournament?
ogre [2d?\]: w can still cut c7
Acemi [?\]: what is honinbo?  or somethign like that?
USGO1 [-\]: I think Jie's rating is 8.3, though Myungwan's is 10.06 as he has not lost an AGA game yet.
USGO11 [?\]: k feed is back up.  someone unplugged the camera
evanj [2d\]: thanks, daniel, you're the greatest person ever
danielhast [5k\]: =)
MXHero [3d\]: usgo, about how many aga games has myungwan played? if you know?
USGO1 [-\]: http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=16670
covtxrider [15k\]: usgo, what s the tat on your arm?
pebarefoot [-\]: all I get is a black screen for the live feed
MXHero [3d\]: thanks
USGO11 [?\]: he's got a KGS tatoo!
pebarefoot [-\]: oops, it's back :-)
USGO1 [-\]: Looks like 19
USGO1 [-\]: Yes it's the K logo from Cgoban
covtxrider [15k\]: nice
mhelvens [?\]: That's dedication.
evanj [2d\]: that's... something
USGO1 [-\]: 20 if you include his victory yesterday.
leachy [5k\]: or a branding iron
pebarefoot [-\]: ouch!
Krao [2k\]: lol... something. Indeed.
]
;W[ch]
;B[dg]
;W[bf]C[ralfcam [3k\]: !!
evanj [2d\]: did you see a spired, ralfcam?
evanj [2d\]: spider*
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan seemed disappointed with having to play this sequence.
Feelss [9k\]: realy?
akko888 [13k\]: f8 seems big
MXHero [3d\]: i wonder why this atari is better than just connecting
evanj [2d\]: can't hurt to have a stone there, can it? esp. w/ c7 aj
evanj [2d\]: i
Optician [1k\]: b can't connect and that leaves ko threats
]
;B[ci]C[MXHero [3d\]: i suppose
]
;W[cm]C[yoon [9k\]: thats painful
GoVortex [6d\]: hard for black to win this game
MXHero [3d\]: but ko threats can't be the only reason, since it potentially loses points
ibd [5k?\]: oh
NoBenjamin [5k\]: c8 i think
akko888 [13k\]: b7?
ogre [2d?\]: c8 b7 b8  b5 \\
Optician [1k\]: b11 also becomes possible, I think
evanj [2d\]: b needs another move then ogre
MXHero [3d\]: oh w can get d14 in sente this way, if needed!
]
;B[fm]C[evanj [2d\]: hm
ralfcam [3k\]: finaly
ralfcam [3k\]: what now
RobertBe [?\]: g9
Betray [3k\]: f8?
Zairex [1k\]: w might need m13 eye after all
]
;W[cl]C[ralfcam [3k\]: f8 
ralfcam [3k\]: please
yoon [9k\]: G10 maybe?
miao [6d\]: what is b doing?
]
;B[dl]C[leachy [5k\]: w should h9 before f8 i think
faroffland: reading?
ToDie [3d\]: where has w two eyes?
]
;W[kh]C[Acemi [?\]: l14 
]
;B[ck]C[miao [6d\]: he is a pro he can play blindgo
Feelss [9k\]: who is wining?
faroffland: he claims not to read visually
miao [6d\]: w
Acemi [?\]: b9 
Feelss [9k\]: thx
yoon [9k\]: b9 leaves that group shaky
yoon [9k\]: i'd say b6 or b5
akko888 [13k\]: b9 b8 b6 a8 b10 ?
]
;W[bm]C[yoon [9k\]: b9 b 10 
Optician [1k\]: that's pro shape :)
Betray [3k\]: :o
]
;B[lf]C[shikashogi [10k\]: im suprised no-one has gon around p3 yet
shikashogi [10k\]: gone*
Betray [3k\]: k17?
NoBenjamin [5k\]: p3 looks right
Feelss [9k\]: p4
faroffland: p3 small stf
yoon [9k\]: p4 leaves corner open
MXHero [3d\]: p3 is a bit thin; weakness at n3
yoon [9k\]: p4 then p2
Acemi [?\]: h18 
leachy [5k\]: o3 is the only real move locally for w there
evanj [2d\]: there is no one good move around there, i don't think, except for maybe q3
yoon [9k\]: p2 works
evanj [2d\]: for b
yoon [9k\]: you hane or extend out
Captcavern [4k\]: mabe later, consider f6 cut ?
danielhast [5k\]: is the center group alive if white plays elsewhere?
ogre [2d?\]: no
akko888 [13k\]: m13 makes life
danielhast [5k\]: m13 l14 m11 n13, no second eye
danielhast [5k\]: looks like g9 makes an eye in sente, though
ogre [2d?\]: what did they say
bjoerni [7k\]: what are they talking about ?
evanj [2d\]: lunch i bet
USGO1 [-\]: We'll be sealing a move for lunch now.
NoBenjamin [5k\]: so  does g8
Optician [1k\]: g16 seems to make an eye, too
ogre [2d?\]: ohhh ok
akko888 [13k\]: n13 k8 life
USGO1 [-\]: One for the dans!~
USGO1 [-\]: ;D
yoon [9k\]: thanks usgo
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan is sealing the move.
yoon [9k\]: when do they come back?
USGO1 [-\]: In 1 hr, at 1pm local time.
USGO1 [-\]: See you then!
yoon [9k\]: thanks
ralfcam [3k\]: ah
ralfcam [3k\]: cya
danielhast [5k\]: k8 makes life anyway, so the whole sequence starting with m13 looks unnecessary
pebarefoot [-\]: thx, usgo, c u in 1 hr
marius1 [1d\]: b not enough pts
marius1 [1d\]: P3
marius1 [1d\]: white had ceiling a move
toffee [3d\]: The sealed move is an atari, M13.
Onmyoji [-\]: sealead move is resign
Koukkaaja [3d\]: resign, then b sweats as w drinks 15 sakes in lunch break
carlo [1d\]: p3 big
kukulis4 [2d\]: R15 big also
ogre [2d?\]: r15 is die
kukulis4 [2d\]: die?
kukulis4 [2d\]: what must die after r15 ?
ogre [2d?\]: r15 r13 s13 s12 s14 s11 r11 s10 s9 r10 q10 p12 q11 q9 
dsfss: this game still going??
racarr [19k\]: Lunch
VISA [4d\]: lunch break
evanj [2d\]: man they eat a lot
evanj [2d\]: just have a protein shake and get on with it
vijay [?\]: is this a real 9dan pro??
ogre [2d?\]: yea
vijay [?\]: and the other is an amateur?
evanj [2d\]: you're up to speed
ogre [2d?\]: yup
evanj [2d\]: except you missed the whole wrong-color phenomenon
vijay [?\]: so it s not very fair
ogre [2d?\]: nah its fair
VISA [4d\]: open tourney
VISA [4d\]: also, is Myung-Wan 9p?
ogre [2d?\]: besides, they are close in strength
vijay [?\]: but its an even game
evanj [2d\]: yes visa
VISA [4d\]: i recall he was 8p
vijay [?\]: ok
evanj [2d\]: apparently he was promoted recently
VISA [4d\]: ok thanks
evanj [2d\]: at least that's what someone said when the question was asked during his game yesterday :D
MrCactu5 [2k\]: is the game over??
VISA [4d\]: sigh
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: no
vijay [?\]: so lang jie's level must be close to that of a pro shodan
VISA [4d\]: that question has been asked like 20 times
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: lunch break, 
VISA [4d\]: jie liang = 8d
MrCactu5 [2k\]: it must be supervised
VISA [4d\]: which is pretty close to pro
kvartaali [?\]: this game looks so weird :P'
katarakt [2d?\]: roln111, who is KGS-7d (but should perhaps be 8d) has at least 1p-strength
NorthWind [5k\]: seems vital for B to make points in lower right corner, p3 or so asap
altrecop [1k\]: p is a title, not a strenthg level i think ;?
lobosaito [2k\]: m13 
lobosaito [2k\]: or k9
katarakt [2d?\]: y. altrecop, but needing some strength level also
ogre [2d?\]: p implies that you are making yourself competitive in pro
vulgar [3k?\]: any idea when lunch time will be over?
lemming [1k?\]: probably 1-3 hours
ogre [2d?\]: knowing all the new wrinkles in joseki and stuff
lobosaito [2k\]: h18?
NorthWind [5k\]: 20 mins
evanj [2d\]: lunch will probably be done today
katarakt [2d?\]: roln111 just beat Catalin-5p on the European GoCongress
qQQp [-\]: An 80 year old p may have been really stron when he was 30 and is still a p.
vulgar [3k?\]: thanks lemming and NorthWind.  And evanj!
qQQp [-\]: it never goes down
ogre [2d?\]: i thot ilia played csaba today
katarakt [2d?\]: and from the pro dan-stages you can see, that there is a strength level too (with diffs less than 1 stone handi)
ogre [2d?\]: pro players have to satisfy requirement for promotion
katarakt [2d?\]: y - numbers of wins
ogre [2d?\]: there is other ways 
qQQp [-\]: Its like M Schumacher 7 times world champion and doesn't make it into Q3
ogre [2d?\]: depends on their rule but if you win a title you get promoted with less wins
katarakt [2d?\]: true
HlFl [-\]: Ilya beat Csaba yes.  today.
ogre [2d?\]: yea i watched it
ogre [2d?\]: lol
HlFl [-\]: beat Kang before that.
HlFl [-\]: beat Catalin before that.
ogre [2d?\]: kang beat diner
ogre [2d?\]: diner was winning to but he played s12 instead of t12
katarakt [2d?\]: y, Catalin seems to have bad form these days
nogo123 [8k\]: is the game over?
ogre [2d?\]: this game is on lunch break
ogre [2d?\]: people are filing back into the playing room
ogre [2d?\]: whats the weird bags on their backs
HlFl [-\]: team kit
evanj [2d\]: is the game over?
racarr [19k\]: lunch
LTS [?\]: adjourned for lunch
Gon00bs [6k?\]: no, the game's on lunch break
evanj [2d\]: has the game started?
shouldBdan [7k\]: should start in ~7 min
LTS [?\]: just in time for my lunch break
IceSpectre [4k\]: who won ? 
yoon [9k\]: its lunch break
IceSpectre [4k\]: ohh 
yoon [9k\]: starting soon
IceSpectre [4k\]: long lunch :) 
YxL [1d\]: thats so funny
khpark129 [5k\]: hmm
Vinata [5d\]: w resigned?
arbas [3k\]: nop
YxL [1d\]: lunch xD
Vinata [5d\]: lunch
ogre [2d?\]: why would w resin
YxL [1d\]: w is leading i think
Vinata [5d\]: how do i know?
Vinata [5d\]: i just guessed cuz w didnt play for long time
shouldBdan [7k\]: ur 5d
ogre [2d?\]: its lunc 
yoon [9k\]: what do you guys think of :8?
yoon [9k\]: L8*
pacushbluz [4k\]: USGO :how much time left for the players ?
USGO11 [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US live video
ogre [2d?\]: yea l8 or something
ogre [2d?\]: w gota make an eye
USGO11 [?\]: 51:07 for b
Vinata [5d\]: l8 for what?  nothing there
shouldBdan [7k\]: w dosetn have to make an eye, he has 1 and 2 halves
USGO11 [?\]: 24:42 for w
pacushbluz [4k\]: thx ;-)
yoon [9k\]: for eye
ogre [2d?\]: maybe work for eye on top instead
yoon [9k\]: he can connect the two
yoon [9k\]: one eye at top and one at bottom
ogre [2d?\]: but
ogre [2d?\]: g16 e17 
yoon [9k\]: eye around H8ish
NorthWind [5k\]: I like g9 for W
harpo [?\]: g9 f10 f8
Captcavern [4k\]: you think he can tenuki  schouldban ?
shouldBdan [7k\]: i think he can tenuki and live, but maybe not happily
ogre [2d?\]: g9 f10 f8 still no eye there
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think he can tenuki
harpo [?\]: g16 f16 k17 ?
USGO1 [-\]: The players are back from lunch.
yoon [9k\]: Yay
ogre [2d?\]: no
]
;W[hc]C[Captcavern [4k\]: without sente, w seems bad
ogre [2d?\]: g16 e17 
pacushbluz [4k\]: Wow
ogre [2d?\]: ok h17
evanj [2d\]: i can't say i picked that as the sealed move
ogre [2d?\]: so he work eye top
und [17k?\]: is w really 9p ??
ogre [2d?\]: g16 is gote cause of e17
evanj [2d\]: no it's an elaborate ruse
]
;B[eb]
;W[cc]
;B[jc]C[ogre [2d?\]: eye the middle
USGO1 [-\]: 49min for Jie
USGO1 [-\]: 22min for Myungwan
Danielsan [2k\]: how is g16 gote?
ogre [2d?\]: k8 looks like the way for making eye
ogre [2d?\]: g16 e17 d17 
mooooo [7k\]: plz video link
USGO11 [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
ogre [2d?\]: danielsan
]
;W[gb]C[fdsfdsdfsd: isnt g8 an eye easily
evanj [2d\]: yes but gote
mooooo [7k\]: thx
Danielsan [2k\]: w can cut but it hurts corner ogre?
Danielsan [2k\]: no I don't see it :(
mooooo [7k\]: mh link dotn work :(
kukulis4 [2d\]: which one is pro, with yellow shirt or black?
evanj [2d\]: yellow
]
;B[pm]C[mooooo [7k\]: cant open eurogotv side
mooooo [7k\]: is it down?
yoon [9k\]: no
evanj [2d\]: nope
yoon [9k\]: mines open
evanj [2d\]: i'm stealing your bandwidth
Gon00bs [6k?\]: nope, I'm on
MssrBlanc [2k\]: after d17, the cutting stone at e15 would get captured
Gon00bs [6k?\]: I'm in ur tubes
pebarefoot [-\]: I have EuroGo just fine
evanj [2d\]: what's everyone looking at back there?
]
;W[pk]C[USGO1 [-\]: There is another game still in progress in the strong players room.
ogre [2d?\]: this move prepare to let w go r15
kukulis4 [2d\]: now white may play R15
YxL [1d\]: r13 is big i think
mhelvens [?\]: Why couldn't he before? Not worth enough?
ogre [2d?\]: cause it dies mhelvens
USGO1 [-\]: Hugh Zhang is playing black on board 5...
Danielsan [2k\]: I don't see how e15 would be caught 
]
;B[pn]C[Gon00bs [6k?\]: I would guess P3
LTS [?\]: So has Kim Myungwan lost a single rated game since he started playing in America?
]
;W[qo]C[MssrBlanc [2k\]: LTS: No
MssrBlanc [2k\]: he has won two consecutive US Opens
USGO1 [-\]: He is on a 20-game streak beginning in summer of 2008.
]
;B[po]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: before q9 if  white R15 black would play R13 nd then S12
LTS [?\]: Ah. I hope he loses this year then
yoon [9k\]: :(
LTS [?\]: preferably to a younger player
kukulis4 [2d\]: s4 double sente
Gon00bs [6k?\]: O3/P3 seems huge
ogre [2d?\]: yeah after w q9 w can connect at s14 and limit b cutting stone to 3 libs
covtxrider [15k\]: what are their times?
xedover [?\]: and who would be strong enough to beat him? Yongfei Ge maybe?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: He's never played Feng Yun or Jie Li, though I think he'd have the edge. 
ogre [2d?\]: his opponent is strong enough to beat him
yoon [9k\]: he can cut and extend at Q4
Danielsan [2k\]: Is Jie Liang Jie Li?
Gon00bs [6k?\]: I think he'd get more out of the approach, but idk
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Separate people, danielsan.
Danielsan [2k\]: Ok thank you 
evanj [2d\]: why would it be? they have different names
kukulis4 [2d\]: q4 would be crude move I guess
Danielsan [2k\]: Maybe he called himself JieLi here
evanj [2d\]: no, jie li is jie li's name :D
]
;W[rp]C[ogre [2d?\]: q4 look very danger
evanj [2d\]: q4 s4
ogre [2d?\]: cause s4 sente and stuff
evanj [2d\]: esp. with B L3 aji
]
;B[rq]C[Captcavern [4k\]: lol ! sleeping hard back !
GregHouse [2d\]: r3
ogre [2d?\]: yes
mhelvens [?\]: Come on. Is evanj your real name? Li could have been short for Liang.
HlFl [-\]: was wondering that myself Danielsan..
ogre [2d?\]: surealy q4 is no good
yoon [9k\]: R3?
evanj [2d\]: maybe it is, what about it
kukulis4 [2d\]: white s5 better, ending in sente
HlFl [-\]: wo, series laggege
Gon00bs [6k?\]: is R3 no good here?
yoon [9k\]: idk it looks good to me
kukulis4 [2d\]: yes, because then black cuts at R7
HlFl [-\]: serious*
covtxrider [15k\]: USGO, what are the time balances?
Gon00bs [6k?\]: that's what I thought
kukulis4 [2d\]: playing r3 is bad for white
Kusaki [20k?\]: the sitting guy in the back is suffering the most
]
;W[rf]C[evanj [2d\]: haha
kukulis4 [2d\]: but 9p might think different
yoon [9k\]: lol
]
;B[ro]C[evanj [2d\]: he thought this was a go-go convention
]
;W[rn]C[pacushbluz [4k\]: lol
cloudo [2k\]: o3
GregHouse [2d\]: n2
]
;B[ok]C[HlFl [-\]: why no us open in 1999 and 2000?
cloudo [2k\]: wow ok,n2 is better :D
pebarefoot [-\]: ejanj, whoops, lol
evanj [2d\]: why don't you think there was a US Open in 1999 and 2000? not on website?
]
;W[so]C[Gon00bs [6k?\]: would w Q3 be a bad idea?
HlFl [-\]: no info on sensei page
NoBenjamin [5k\]: i think black can win this
HlFl [-\]: but is for 97 98
ogre [2d?\]: its b move gon
Gon00bs [6k?\]: when I thought of the move, it was w move
]
;B[qq]C[quyx [8k\]: *why you think there was no....
yoon [9k\]: P3
ogre [2d?\]: probably not. that was before w went s14 was it?
Gon00bs [6k?\]: now my instincts are back to w P3
GregHouse [2d\]: o3
yoon [9k\]: why not p3?
ogre [2d?\]: getting to take the corner while losing the side does not look good to me really
Gon00bs [6k?\]: lol
GregHouse [2d\]: too far
Gon00bs [6k?\]: I started reading it when he said it this time, and it looked sketchy
yoon [9k\]: he can connect back
]
;W[nq]C[Mipaline [6k?\]: and o4?
kukulis4 [2d\]: there was some aji around m2
]
;B[mr]C[pebarefoot [-\]: hm, couldn'r w have gone o3?
Blacklike [13k\]: its really funny to watch the guy in the back who is he?
GregHouse [2d\]: o2
khpark129 [5k\]: sabumim hwa e ting!
shouldBdan [7k\]: does that guy in the chair know he's on camera?
]
;W[lr]C[xedover [?\]: probably not
Iyas [15k?\]: ぃんｋ？
khpark129 [5k\]: john? what are you doing back there?!!!
Gon00bs [6k?\]: I know what he's thinking
Iyas [15k?\]: er, link*
yoon [9k\]: someone's got major jetlag
Gon00bs [6k?\]: "I should've sed Preparation H today."
purp [6k\]: where/how are you watching
Gon00bs [6k?\]: used*
pebarefoot [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
purp [6k\]: thx
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+17.5
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
]
;B[nr]
;W[or]C[khpark129 [5k\]: that's the terrible place for playing go
]
;B[oq]
;W[np]C[YxL [1d\]: i think its to early to count
Desperis [4k\]: Your count's SE ...
nasnad [2d\]: 17.5 too much
Athanor [-\]: couting starts at move 10
Athanor [-\]: counting*
sh [-\]: that was cgoban3-count ;-)
YxL [1d\]: haha
cyu [10k?\]: busted xd
Onmyoji [-\]: pros start counting at move 1
shouldBdan [7k\]: what is "counting"?
mFz [3k\]: to lose by lower than ten is good against 9p
HlFl [-\]: will look before i ask
ogre [2d?\]: not for this b
]
;B[pr]C[Athanor [-\]: b9?
]
;W[df]
;B[dh]
;W[bk]C[gdghgjd [2d\]: hard to count for me, but it's w + 5-15
VISA [4d\]: i count w +10, roughly
lostworld [8k\]: why d12 instead of e14?
YxL [1d\]: i think more then 15
marius1 [1d\]: S14 very weird
YxL [1d\]: for w
kukulis4 [2d\]: s14 worth 10+ points
faroffland: this last move looks really big
Ashura [2k\]: i also count that w is leading lik 3-5 points
ogre [2d?\]: lostworld d12 e13 b11 
marius1 [1d\]: locally R15 seems normal move i mean
Optician [1k\]: if b plays e14 then w can d12 and then capture b12 stone
cloudo [2k\]: s16 would be nice too
Athanor [-\]: r15 no good
mhelvens [?\]: How can Myung Wan play so well? He's looking at the board upside down!
yoon [9k\]: lolol
cloudo [2k\]: why? is he making a headstand?
SpiderWeb [3d\]: w looks around 5 points ahead
marius1 [1d\]: what if R15 ?
lostworld [8k\]: ah! thnx
hatego [3k\]: Has Myung wan left the board at all (besides for lunch, obviously)?
]
;B[bj]C[amego [3k\]: c10
]
;W[dk]C[harvey103 [2k\]: yeah w by 3 or 4 
yoon [9k\]: oooh
yoon [9k\]: nice
amego [3k\]: b should c10
Gon00bs [6k?\]: ko!
SpiderWeb [3d\]: w ahead
NorthWind [5k\]: I count W +1.5
Excalibor [-\]: whoah, looks like a really interesting game, indeed...
Gon00bs [6k?\]: b should e9
]
;B[cj]C[amego [3k\]: i saw this
kiwi89 [6k\]: black b10 is a mistake, isnt it?
hatego [3k\]: Ouch.
ibd [5k?\]: what
ibd [5k?\]: probably not a mistake
kiwi89 [6k\]: f8?
amego [3k\]: w f8
YxL [1d\]: f8 f6 e9 
]
;W[ib]C[Morla [5d\]: b10 was bad
]
;B[jb]C[Gon00bs [6k?\]: sorry, I was being stupid
marius1 [1d\]: G9 F8 big reduction
ickypoo [2k\]: video feed?
kiwi89 [6k\]: why g9?
yoon [9k\]: w can even go G10 if he wants
hatego [3k\]: G9 is sente.
kiwi89 [6k\]: oh right
purp [6k\]: the angle of the camera view is too much
cloudo [2k\]: now s16
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan has 10 minutes left. Jie still has 40 minutes.
ogre [2d?\]: dunno if all the time in the wolrd can save him
pebarefoot [-\]: purp, don't complain, it has been worse
Captcavern [4k\]: f10 for fun
faroffland: and byo yomi is?
marius1 [1d\]: B7 was nice for yose
covtxrider [15k\]: 5/:30
kukulis4 [2d\]: f8 small ?
NotAfraid [3d\]: G9
ogre [2d?\]: byo yomi is far away 
faroffland: tks
purp [6k\]: fair enough
covtxrider [15k\]: click help for byoyomi
pebarefoot [-\]: 5/30 buo yomi
kukulis4 [2d\]: white g9 sente and the f8 becomes sente too
VISA [4d\]: i think b lost already
pebarefoot [-\]: *byo*
VISA [4d\]: no hope
kiwi89 [6k\]: isnt G9, F8, G8 all in sente?
hatego [3k\]: It's not really buo or byo, is it?
cloudo [2k\]: f8 is sente without g9
kukulis4 [2d\]: g8 not needed
kiwi89 [6k\]: ah you're right
purp [6k\]: a suggestion . . . raise the camera one meter. . . sorry if it's complaining 
kiwi89 [6k\]: then g9, f8 , e9
ogre [2d?\]: its byo
NotAfraid [3d\]: no
kiwi89 [6k\]: ?
covtxrider [15k\]: meter?  this is going on in colorado springs
NotAfraid [3d\]: g9 then G11 for w
Onmyoji [-\]: so?
pooyou [4k\]: meter is international system unit
wolfe [2k\]: I'm late in.... what is the address of the video feed?
Blacklike [13k\]: the lagg is way more frustrating
purp [6k\]: even u.s. americans know a meter
ogre [2d?\]: byo means second in japanese
cloudo [2k\]: perhaps
pooyou [4k\]: some of them
covtxrider [15k\]: yeah, know its a little more than a yard
NoBenjamin [5k\]: f18
amego [3k\]: g9
harvey103 [2k\]: go players will
hatego [3k\]: The spelling is not important, but the pronounciation is, that's all I'm saying. Byo and buo are very similar sounding.
amego [3k\]: then f8
purp [6k\]: see how easy that is
hatego [3k\]: /eod
pebarefoot [-\]: I wish US would change to metric, it is so much easier
pooyou [4k\]: byo and buo? not for me
ibd [5k?\]: /eof
YxL [1d\]: s16
ogre [2d?\]: how do you pronounce buo?
purp [6k\]: i agree and i'm one of them
Optician [1k\]: w f8 and then e9 looks big
pooyou [4k\]: buo
cloudo [2k\]: gogogo
]
;W[fl]C[faroffland: after b has responded k18 to j18 he can no longer remove w damge around g9
pooyou [4k\]: like in... there's no word with buo
]
;B[fn]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: this is slow
amego [3k\]: i wish we play with this much thinking
faroffland: in sente
ogre [2d?\]: its biou
]
;W[fj]C[Onmyoji [-\]: :O
barakeel [3d\]: what's happening?
yoon [9k\]: magic
Captcavern [4k\]: yes :)
khpark129 [5k\]: its over
kukulis4 [2d\]: more sente
kiwi89 [6k\]: woa
pebarefoot [-\]: a go game
kiwi89 [6k\]: black is way behind now
NotAfraid [3d\]: what a move
mhelvens [?\]: Very cool move.
NoBenjamin [5k\]: e10
GregHouse [2d\]: noone saw it
pebarefoot [-\]: is the fat lady warming up?
NotAfraid [3d\]: have to g 11 for b
Captcavern [4k\]: yes
GregHouse [2d\]: e10
NotAfraid [3d\]: or e 10 first
ogre [2d?\]: g10
xD [1d\]: e10 g10 g11 g9 e9 e11 
ibd [5k?\]: e10=snapback
Optician [1k\]: why not b g10 ?
pebarefoot [-\]: aria time!
ogre [2d?\]: g10 is fine
pg [20k?\]: aria?
NotAfraid [3d\]: double atari
ogre [2d?\]: f10 in atari
]
;B[ej]
;W[gj]
;B[gi]
;W[gk]C[NotAfraid [3d\]: now
pebarefoot [-\]: aria, a song in opera
NotAfraid [3d\]: double
ogre [2d?\]: oh yeah
faroffland: res?
cloudo [2k\]: hohoho
ogre [2d?\]: this e10
kukulis4 [2d\]: black play elsewhere
NoBenjamin [5k\]: d10
]
;B[dj]C[NotAfraid [3d\]: E10
cloudo [2k\]: r15 is now big for b
amego [3k\]: if b e9 w e11 double atari
NotAfraid [3d\]: E9 most i think
]
;W[rd]C[NotAfraid [3d\]: or not X:
]
;B[pj]
;W[qj]
;B[pi]C[cloudo [2k\]: yeah ^^
]
;W[qi]C[NoBenjamin [5k\]: g3 maybe
]
;B[ek]
;W[ja]C[harvey103 [2k\]: w getting the big yose moves
]
;B[ka]
;W[ia]C[carttman: please respect my authoritah!
A1R [4k\]: h14:P
mhelvens [?\]: It's so funny how he sets it all up, then doesn't play the finishing move E9.
]
;B[he]C[cloudo [2k\]: he would never say please
carttman: xD
faroffland: he already profited
pebarefoot [-\]: white's advantage keeps growing
carttman: i think w won
ogre [2d?\]: s16 was really big
]
;W[fb]C[A1R [4k\]: f18 enough
suiram [4k\]: w is 9p, can he get higher?
carttman: yes 11p
]
;B[ec]C[barakeel [3d\]: l18 capture
YxL [1d\]: b totaly damaged
]
;W[ea]C[ibd [5k?\]: g3
xD [1d\]: he can receive titles
A1R [4k\]: if he plays regular korean pro tournaments he could be 10dan
A1R [4k\]: the siptan
A1R [4k\]: or sipdan
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think w could have gone l18
barakeel [3d\]: he can now
faroffland: w looks aheda by 20 now
ogre [2d?\]: l18 j15 now kill middle and e19 miai
khpark129 [5k\]: usually 9p is called in korean, ipsin...
carttman: kgs can turn 32767p becouse system is short
GregHouse [2d\]: k9
khpark129 [5k\]: which means "entering the God's move"
]
;B[gl]C[wingnoll [11k\]: w p10
]
;W[ie]
;B[ak]C[A1R [4k\]: s18 big
GregHouse [2d\]: l18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cloudo [2k\]: l18 works fine?
carttman: l18
carttman: ........
barakeel [3d\]: l18 is big
akko888 [13k\]: how so
ogre [2d?\]: this is also
qQQp [-\]: After 9p he can pass the exam for KGS kibizer
pebarefoot [-\]: Thank you, USGO! see you this evening for NAIM
carttman: l18 if he is 9p
ibd [5k?\]: l18 m19 m18 n19 o18 
USGO1 [-\]: My pleasure
]
;W[bl]C[carttman: damm shape guy
akko888 [13k\]: w will run into b stones and die if l18?
Captcavern [4k\]: when b s3, was r13 another choice ?
xD [1d\]: no akko
hatego [3k\]: l18 m19 m18 n19 o18 B cannot escape
kiwi89 [6k\]: nope l18 works
sheeryjay [2k\]: akko888, white wil play a net
wingnoll [11k\]: l18 doesn't work
kiwi89 [6k\]: it does
kiwi89 [6k\]: ..
YxL [1d\]: -.-
TheElder [8k?\]: l18, m19, m18, n19, o18 b dead.
wingnoll [11k\]: no l18 gets captured
ogre [2d?\]: i remember when i first learned how to capture l18
soulangel [3d\]: s17 or l18
carttman: l18 good
Asumi [3d\]: isn't s18 big
akko888 [13k\]: ah i see now :D
]
;B[hl]
;W[il]C[yoon [9k\]: i still haven't learned how to capture l18
]
;B[bo]C[cloudo [2k\]: l18 n19 n18 o18 r18 q17 this is the right sequence
]
;W[bp]C[barakeel [3d\]: <o<
kiwi89 [6k\]: now you have xD
ogre [2d?\]: b is just getting some sente before protect l18
khpark129 [5k\]: prob white is going to win by 6.5 pts
nasnad [2d\]: protecting s18 is very big too
ogre [2d?\]: cant just sit back and protect and then lose the game
ibd [5k?\]: this doesn't work
TheElder [8k?\]: cloudo, that's wrong.
kiwi89 [6k\]: also if l18 wasnt possible white wouldnt have played k19
carttman: l18 m19 n19 o18  -.-
akko888 [13k\]: l18 m18 l17 l19 n18
cloudo [2k\]: no, thats the best
TheElder [8k?\]: l18, n19, white will m18
carttman: l18 m19 n19 o18 
carttman: l18 m19 n19 o18 
carttman: l18 m19 n19 o18 
carttman: l18 m19 n19 o18 
carttman: pls
carttman: stop now 
farmer [4d\]: b is counting before resign
carttman: PLSSS IM FAKE CARTMAN
TheElder [8k?\]: admin?
akko888 [13k\]: seki?
cloudo [2k\]: resign?
Kayres [3k\]: kickÜ
carttman: this 13k sucks
kiwi89 [6k\]: lol
kiwi89 [6k\]: dont be rude.
carttman: how someone call seki
ibd [5k?\]: rüde
carttman: DAMM 
YxL [1d\]: ??
lotus005K: b ahead no ?
Onmyoji [-\]: ko
Ripples [2k\]: this is seki
ShusakuSai [8k\]: he has to be rude with himself if he wants to improve*
]
;B[gq]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: akko, except your sequence would gol18 m18 m19 
]
;W[gr]C[yoon [9k\]: gasp he swore
YxL [1d\]: hold back
eleiteo [-\]: w s18 about 5 points gote, not so big. Note b is strong there
YxL [1d\]: carttman
yoon [9k\]: someone get the soap
ogre [2d?\]: what is seki
yoon [9k\]: Xd
barakeel [3d\]: we dont' say seki we say who are you?
akko888 [13k\]: oh yes marked wrong
ibd [5k?\]: I see what you did there barakeel
carttman: akko888 [13k\]: seki? ahhhh GO TO THE HELL
GregHouse [2d\]: seki? quette
TheElder [8k?\]: please. admin.
yoon [9k\]: ...
Riu [5k\]: yeah ban the troll...
ogre [2d?\]: lol
]
;B[rc]
;W[kb]C[purp [6k\]: lose the THE
wingnoll [11k\]: now we see
yoon [9k\]: whooo
harpo [?\]: oops
ogre [2d?\]: no you dont
kiwi89 [6k\]: n18 now?
wingnoll [11k\]: m18
Weishenme [4d\]: b tires
barakeel [3d\]: lets ko ko ko$
Weishenme [4d\]: tired
]
;B[lb]C[TheElder [8k?\]: m18 is bad, but the only move. 
]
;W[la]
;B[ma]C[Onmyoji [-\]: ko ko ko ko ko ko ko
harpo [?\]: he overlooked it
TheElder [8k?\]: koooo
yoon [9k\]: kokokoko
Onmyoji [-\]:  ko kok o ko ko ko ok ok o ko kok ok
Weishenme [4d\]: now need to count...
ibd [5k?\]: ZERG RUSH
TheElder [8k?\]: c-c-c-c combo breaker.
yoon [9k\]: Lol
cloudo [2k\]: just
cloudo [2k\]: l19
nasnad [2d\]: b played well
farmer [4d\]: no neeed to count
hatego [3k\]: Connect and take sente.
]
;W[ka]
;B[lc]C[cloudo [2k\]: hahaha
yoon [9k\]: kos are more fun:(
]
;W[lg]C[Ripples [2k\]: t17
]
;B[kf]C[Weishenme [4d\]: T17 will follow
]
;W[mg]
;B[mf]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[sd]C[wingnoll [11k\]: n18
]
;B[qe]
;W[re]C[TheElder [8k?\]: n18 nothing
Ripples [2k\]: t3 fairly big
scottw1919 [7k\]: sente more fun
yoon [9k\]: S18
ogre [2d?\]: s18 is ko
cloudo [2k\]: o5
TheElder [8k?\]: l2 big?
RiT [5d\]: a8 is huge
ibd [5k?\]: l2
]
;B[rb]C[akko888 [13k\]: a8?
]
;W[op]C[copyright [2d\]: o5 
]
;B[os]C[Hesh [9k\]: b can a7, can't he?
]
;W[sq]
;B[sr]
;W[sp]
;B[rr]C[ibd [5k?\]: w knows he won
yoon [9k\]: black a7 kills the b group
yoon [9k\]: at a5
TheElder [8k?\]: no it doesn't
ibd [5k?\]: no it doesn't, b already dead
gdghgjd [2d\]: why did black not play m18?
Gon00bs [6k?\]: w a8 kills that w group
Ripples [2k\]: a5 is already dead
yoon [9k\]: i mean
TheElder [8k?\]: its just a threat.
yoon [9k\]: he'll take it
Hesh [9k\]: it's using those black stones...
]
;W[ef]C[Hesh [9k\]: forcing him to take dead stones is the point
]
;B[hd]C[ogre [2d?\]: b not play m18 so he can play s17
]
;W[ic]C[TheElder [8k?\]: if anything, just a8 and reduce and take sente
Ripples [2k\]: cant a7 cus a6
Ripples [2k\]: black cant connect
]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]C[yoon [9k\]: someone said why not a7 to kill 
]
;B[al]C[barakeel [3d\]: p12 is big
yoon [9k\]: -.-
]
;W[am]C[kiwi89 [6k\]: wasnt a7 better for black?
Gon00bs [6k?\]: a7 b6 
hatego [3k\]: Sente this way.
Gon00bs [6k?\]: this way is sente
akko888 [13k\]: a6 a10 a9 ?
Hesh [9k\]: ah
]
;B[aj]
;W[ao]C[ogre [2d?\]: a7 just no work
Ripples [2k\]: it doesnt
ibd [5k?\]: l2
ogre [2d?\]: u cant connect a8 after w a6
]
;B[oh]
;W[eg]C[Onmyoji [-\]: hi
]
;B[eh]C[cloudo [2k\]: whats ur count?
USGO1 [-\]: White is in byo-yomi.
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 25min remaining of main time.
Onmyoji [-\]: omg
]
;W[ee]C[RiT [5d\]: n1
Kayres [3k\]: wuhahha
yoon [9k\]: someone's elbows in the way!
farmer [4d\]: w is leading 10+ points on board
Onmyoji [-\]: pro used so much more time
TheElder [8k?\]: l2 definitely best move still.
kiwi89 [6k\]: i dont think byo yomi is any problem for white.
holynec [?\]: WHO WILL WIN?!
Gon00bs [6k?\]: 5 30-sec periods, correct?
holynec [?\]: WHO WILL LOSE?!
und [13k?\]: seems like w will win again the us open
harpo [?\]: sente
GregHouse [2d\]: no
Onmyoji [-\]: why doesnt mingjiu play in us open?
GoIsBoring [3d\]: l2 
wingnoll [11k\]: so what's he bigges tmove now?
TheElder [8k?\]: l2
Ripples [2k\]: m1
VISA [4d\]: pros favor the NAIM
VISA [4d\]: more money
holynec [?\]: mo money
ogre [2d?\]: pros can be in naim?
scottw1919 [7k\]: m1
wingnoll [11k\]: ya l2's a sweet move
NoBenjamin [5k\]: l3 keeps sente
]
;B[fd]C[Optician [1k\]: w g16 is threatening
Athanor [-\]: what's naim?
]
;W[kq]C[Wagaboo [10k\]: wprotect l2
wingnoll [11k\]: b can't hold sente long
NoBenjamin [5k\]: d17
ogre [2d?\]: maybe i get naim and namt mixed up
hatego [3k\]: North American ING Master's Tournmanet. It runs the same week as the Open.
wingnoll [11k\]: w has had sente most this game
]
;B[pp]C[cloudo [2k\]: he still has sente
]
;W[dc]C[Athanor [-\]: ok
ogre [2d?\]: or maybe its same thing
xedover [?\]: naim/namt... its the same
holynec [?\]: mo money, mo thug life
NoBenjamin [5k\]: what about f8
Gon00bs [6k?\]: hey, that's my sister's alias
wingnoll [11k\]: to win just keep sente and make the biggest moves
Gon00bs [6k?\]: Thug Lite
holynec [?\]: lite just makes it unclassy -_-
wingnoll [11k\]: and u will be 10dan 
cloudo [2k\]: b will resign now
GregHouse [2d\]: like you?
holynec [?\]: by biggest, you mean best move?
tugkan [5k\]: w is weak?
Optician [1k\]: b has to play f8 after w plays h7 (or vice versa)
hatego [3k\]: I wish the admins were more active in kicking people who make dumb comments during these tournament games.
amego [3k\]: L8
Gon00bs [6k?\]: we're not exactly the classiest people in the world here, holynec
MonkeyFool [14k\]: f8 isn't important?
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Gon00bs [6k?\]: I don't live in San Diego
Wagaboo [10k\]: f8isn't
holynec [?\]: i like to think we are in the upper echelon :\]
Eternauta [9k\]: dumb like what? kyus like me may suggest a bad move
USGO1 [-\]: W has won by resignation.
kukulis4 [2d\]: d17 = "time to resing ha ?"
MonkeyFool [14k\]: yeah...same result locally either way
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
yoon [9k\]: thanks usgo
ogre [2d?\]: nice game
tkborealis [12k\]: dumb like not relevant
sweety [-\]: Thanks USGO1~~
xiping [2k\]: thx usgo
]
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